Sex discrimination in golf

[clubchamp98]

I played at a nine hole course recently with my wife where the green fee was less for women than for men.

I thought that’s not allowed ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If possible please name and shame the club so we can decide how just that might be.

I don't think that is the right thing to do when it is not my club, they are not here to reply. Ultimately it is up to that club to put their own house in order.

 

[chrisd]

Ladies have NO joining fee at mine.
Nor do men under 30 yrs old.
I am a senior and pay the same as everyone else.
Our ladies are all full members.

But this is positive discrimination is wrong imo.
A 29yr old multi millionaire only pays half of what it costs to join than a 31yr old on minimum wage.
I understand why they do it to attract younger men but just think it’s wrong.
Everyone should pay the same and get the same service.
Except juniors who have a sliding scale of fees and no JF.

I might be wrong but I understood that it's possible for clubs of different types to positively discriminate in favour of groups (men, women, children) if they are under represented within a (whatever type of) club, and if pricing is one of the reasons for that under representation then they can price accordingly to balance membership.

 

[Jamesbrown]

We have mixed comps at the weekend. But the old dears get their own tee slots in the week as “men play too fast”. Our ladies are particularly old and focus more on socialising than golf so huddle around one person playing rather than going to their ball. Hence what they may mean by “playing too fast” I think.

Seniors also get their own comps as well as entry to Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday comps. Not sure why. Seems unfair.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

We have mixed comps at the weekend. But the old dears get their own tee slots in the week as “men play too fast”. Our ladies are particularly old and focus more on socialising than golf so huddle around one person playing rather than going to their ball. Hence what they may mean by “playing too fast” I think.

Seniors also get their own comps as well as entry to Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday comps. Not sure why. Seems unfair.

Really, this "unfair" business is getting tiresome. How is it unfair for anyone to have someone over , say 60, entering the men's competition.?
What harm does it do anyone for there to be a seniors section that have a competition for themselves once a week?
The world 's going mad looking for things to get feeling "done by!"

 

[Lord Tyrion]

What harm does it do anyone for there to be a seniors section that have a competition for themselves once a week?

At our place the seniors have a big chunk of Monday mornings booked out for their use only. Annoys the heck out of me on Bank Holidays as it means I can't take advantage of my extra day off. I've raised it as an issue but been told 'it's always been that way' as though that makes it okay ?

 

[DanFST]

At our place the seniors have a big chunk of Monday mornings booked out for their use only. Annoys the heck out of me on Bank Holidays as it means I can't take advantage of my extra day off. I've raised it as an issue but been told 'it's always been that way' as though that makes it okay ?

I would imagine with the average age of the forum, this will fall on deaf ears (literally!)

 

[KenL]

We have mixed comps at the weekend. But the old dears get their own tee slots in the week as “men play too fast”. Our ladies are particularly old and focus more on socialising than golf so huddle around one person playing rather than going to their ball. Hence what they may mean by “playing too fast” I think.

Seniors also get their own comps as well as entry to Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday comps. Not sure why. Seems unfair.

Perhaps calling them the "old dears" doesn't help?

 

[clubchamp98]

I might be wrong but I understood that it's possible for clubs of different types to positively discriminate in favour of groups (men, women, children) if they are under represented within a (whatever type of) club, and if pricing is one of the reasons for that under representation then they can price accordingly to balance membership.

Yes I know they can ,but I just don’t think it’s right.
Imagine going to a pub ,your pint is £3.50
Under 30yr old is only £2.50.
If you want to play golf at any particular club you should pay what the rest of the members pay.
That’s equality.

 

[KenL]

At our place the seniors have a big chunk of Monday mornings booked out for their use only. Annoys the heck out of me on Bank Holidays as it means I can't take advantage of my extra day off. I've raised it as an issue but been told 'it's always been that way' as though that makes it okay ?

I get that. Why should a group who perhaps don't work get set a side a large chunk of tee times when they can play anytime?

 

[KenL]

I believe that greens fees should be linked to the tees you play from. OK, there's a big correlation to gender that way but not necessarily. I've played several courses where I felt I was being ripped off paying the same amount for a vastly inferior experience.

People should play off tees that suit their ability, that would sort that one.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Really, this "unfair" business is getting tiresome. How is it unfair for anyone to have someone over , say 60, entering the men's competition.?
What harm does it do anyone for there to be a seniors section that have a competition for themselves once a week?
The world 's going mad looking for things to get feeling "done by!"

I’m totally unaffected, I very rarely get time to play in the week bar Wednesday but I would deem it unfair to exclude different demographics and sexes entry to competitions if they pay the same in membership.

 

[clubchamp98]

I get that. Why should a group who perhaps don't work get set a side a large chunk of tee times when they can play anytime?

It’s not black and white as that.
If I take the grandkids to school, and pick them up.
Taking travel into account gives me 10am to 2 pm to get a game in.
Lots of seniors still work don’t forget it’s over 55yr olds.
But do agree they should just book on the tee sheet not block book large chunks.

 

[chrisd]

Yes I know they can ,but I just don’t think it’s right.
Imagine going to a pub ,your pint is £3.50
Under 30yr old is only £2.50.
If you want to play golf at any particular club you should pay what the rest of the members pay.
That’s equality.

I didnt say I disagree with you

I get a £100 discount on our annual 7 day rate for continuous 20+ year membership, and that I'm old enough to claim the state pension. Our Chairman told me he wants to stop that concession to give younger players a bigger discount than they already get - I regularly park next to these younger members Porches, Mercs, Beamers etc . I told him that he's a Richard Head ?

 

[Swango1980]

People should play off tees that suit their ability, that would sort that one.

What does that even mean? A scratch golfer, or a 30 handicapper, can play off any set of tees rated for them. So, who determines a players ability and whether they can play off a set of tees?

Would you ban a 28 handicapper from playing of the back tees at a short course, but he can then go to a long championship course and play off yellows, even though that yellow course is a lot longer than off whites at the 1st place?

Many clubs don't allow play off back tees to protect them from heavy footfall. Also, having some groups playing off back tees could slow the general pace of play (good golfers can be slow as well). If clubs are willing to allow guests to play off back tees, perhaps they should keep green fees as they are for yellows, and a premium rate on whites. Let us see how many are willing to pay for the privilege.

 

[Tashyboy]

It kicked off at our place re the bunkers. They are shocking. A member went into see the general manager who’s response was I will give you a free lesson. He was livid and said there are 200 members who would like a free lesson as well. So there was loads of guys on our WhatsApp group chucking there two pennuth worth in.
A PP then pipes up “ I think we should also ask the GM if we can have 4 tee times every Tuesday and Thursday for our fiddle coz the women and seniors have there tee times”. I responded and said “ excellent idea crack on with it and let us know how you go on” he never said a flippin word. My point is it tiddled me off big style. He has not booked one single tee time in the three years I have played with him. When we have a fuddle he wants to go out first coz he always has something on. He is ok at giving other people bullets to fire and moaning coz women do this and seniors do that.But when it comes to the crux, he wants others to do his moaning.
For me golf is for all, there’s give and take, the seniors have there time and the women have theres. ?

 

[clubchamp98]

I didnt say I disagree with you

I get a £100 discount on our annual 7 day rate for continuous 20+ year membership, and that I'm old enough to claim the state pension. Our Chairman told me he wants to stop that concession to give younger players a bigger discount than they already get - I regularly park next to these younger members Porches, Mercs, Beamers etc . I told him that he's a Richard Head ?

Yes a discount for loyalty sounds nice.
He does sound like a RH.
But giving it from day one to selected age groups won’t help the loyalty of these younger golfers to the club.
This is what went wrong at a lot of clubs and players were changing clubs regularly.
It’s hard to know who will stay and who will go come new year when fees are due!

 

[DanFST]

But giving it from day one to selected age groups won’t help the loyalty of these younger golfers to the club.

I'm on a concession for being young. It absolutely has made me loyal, I'm a member for life.

I wouldn't have got a membership at the full rate, wasn't sure the value was there. (In pandemic)

 

[clubchamp98]

I'm on a concession for being young. It absolutely has made me loyal, I'm a member for life.

I wouldn't have got a membership at the full rate, wasn't sure the value was there. (In pandemic)

Good to hear.
But where I live we are the only club left with a JF.
I know from the secs of the other clubs golfers are moving around yearly.
They are having major problems competing with each other on price.
But less money impacts the quality of the course.

 

[chrisd]

Yes a discount for loyalty sounds nice.
He does sound like a RH.
But giving it from day one to selected age groups won’t help the loyalty of these younger golfers to the club.
This is what went wrong at a lot of clubs and players were changing clubs regularly.
It’s hard to know who will stay and who will go come new year when fees are due!

I reckon golf will backtrack to where it was in one to two years time. 25 to 45's will go back to football. Cricket ,tennis etc etc now that those sports are opening up. I also see more social media offering golf gear for sale whereas 18 months ago everyone was looking for golf clubs.