Random Irritations

We pay a lot more for the waste and inefficiency in for-profit private services. That is where by far the most waste and inefficiency of our economy lies.
Take the price of brand new golf clubs as an example.
TV services is another good example.
Waste waste waste and inefficiencies galore.

I love a good moan.

private sector seervices cost you and me nothing - you choose what to buy or use and private sector are always more efficient than public sector. The market dictates what to pay people in the private sector whereas the unions do so in te private sector. Knowing many people who work in both, i concur with Bunkermagnet in that the shocking waste in the public sector is beyond anything that happens in private sector - there is massive waste that can be culled, saving us all money and providing more for essential front-line public sector that deserve more and will benefit us all. And all public sector pensions should be funded from now on - ie local council is but main civil service and most others are not. And a similar plan is needed for the State Pension. These things will increasingly bankrupt our country if they are not tackled - the private sector learned this lesson 30 years ago!
 
But (1) only the private sector contributes to the nations coffers, the public sector do not…(2) when politicians talk about economic growth they are not talking about the public sector are they?

(3) What’s the saying? The private sector needs to work 7 days a week so the public sector can spend it in 4! 😆
(1) Not true
(2) Yes they are, they are talking about both.

And if you want to play this game of words,
(3) The private sector sucks money from the economy and puts it into the hands of the already wealthy. The public sector provides for all people.
 
private sector seervices cost you and me nothing - you choose what to buy or use and private sector are always more efficient than public sector. The market dictates what to pay people in the private sector whereas the unions do so in te private sector. Knowing many people who work in both, i concur with Bunkermagnet in that the shocking waste in the public sector is beyond anything that happens in private sector - there is massive waste that can be culled, saving us all money and providing more for essential front-line public sector that deserve more and will benefit us all. And all public sector pensions should be funded from now on - ie local council is but main civil service and most others are not. And a similar plan is needed for the State Pension. These things will increasingly bankrupt our country if they are not tackled - the private sector learned this lesson 30 years ago!
And I disagree.
The private sector wastes the most money. It costs us all a lot.
It could be far more efficient and we could have far more affordable things, a better standard of living, without so much waste.
 
And I disagree.
The private sector wastes the most money. It costs us all a lot.
It could be far more efficient and we could have far more affordable things, a better standard of living, without so much waste.

Remind me how much the water companies have wasted and sucked out the country
 
The sheer amount of hair our dog Frank casts (sheds). I can do it every day but it doesn't get any better (Furminator).
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Seriously impressive (frustrating)!
Do you know his make up?

We're used to dealing with a lot of shedding but not that much.

(Excuse for a picture)
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White one was trimmed down (carrier bag full) before a vet visit - 'ooh he has lost some weight' ha ha, not really
 
I worked 14 years in a public company that was privatised. 6 years in a public business that's still public owned, and 20 years in a private company.

All 3 had massive waste. All 3 had stupid preferred supplier lists that cost money. All 3 had depts that created unnecessary processes that got in the way of smooth workflows.

I think my main gripe was the level of price gouging to make a profit. When you're buying in a keypad for 50p from RS then packing it and selling it to the NHS for £500... that's immoral. Equally, why do the NHS allow it to happen?
 
I worked 14 years in a public company that was privatised. 6 years in a public business that's still public owned, and 20 years in a private company.

All 3 had massive waste. All 3 had stupid preferred supplier lists that cost money. All 3 had depts that created unnecessary processes that got in the way of smooth workflows.

I think my main gripe was the level of price gouging to make a profit. When you're buying in a keypad for 50p from RS then packing it and selling it to the NHS for £500... that's immoral. Equally, why do the NHS allow it to happen?

Disgusting isn't it

We have it ATM. We are in desperate needs of new chairs.

Now they need to be 24 hour rated due to the work and tbh the best solution would be gaming chairs. Rated for 24 hours and 150kg about £300 average

Nope we have approved suppliers only. Rubbish chairs .. £1000-1500 a go
 
Are we allowed to mention the coffer filling organising running the privatised utilities as example no 1??
Obviously, the coffers that they are filling might be a nation's, but it certainly seem seem to be ours...
My point is that there seems to be no shortage of anecdotal evidence and opinions and some of the latter may be based upon personal prejudices.

Whilst I am sure that there's considerable waste in both private and public sectors I see no evidence that one is more or less efficient than the other.
 
My point is that there seems to be no shortage of anecdotal evidence and opinions and some of the latter may be based upon personal prejudices.

Whilst I am sure that there's considerable waste in both private and public sectors I see no evidence that one is more or less efficient than the other.

Where humans are involved there will always be corruption, waste and laziness. It's human nature.

Like you say both private and public have it. None is immune
 
(1) Not true
(2) Yes they are, they are talking about both.

And if you want to play this game of words,
(3) The private sector sucks money from the economy and puts it into the hands of the already wealthy. The public sector provides for all people.
C’mon you know how this works, items 1 & 2, proof please, otherwise it just turns into a pantomime… “Oh no it won’t” etc.

Edit: if you can prove 1 I might believe 2👍
 
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Approved supplier lists, in private and public sectors, are one one of the biggest nonsense developments I can remember in my working time. Horribly inefficient and leads to paying over the top for a multitude of products. Sold as a great step forward but they are anything but.

We sell a couple of niche products and so we largely dodge the need to be on these but still sell them. They simply get sold to someone on the list who adds their mark up and sells them on 🙄. Nonsense.
 
My point is that there seems to be no shortage of anecdotal evidence and opinions and some of the latter may be based upon personal prejudices.

Whilst I am sure that there's considerable waste in both private and public sectors I see no evidence that one is more or less efficient than the other.
The biggest private sector business in the UK is property renting.
Working people hand over their earnings to the wealthy property owners and property-owning businesses.
Rents are too high. Property values are too high and mortgages can not be obtained and people are thus forced to rent.
This lowers the standard of living of the renters and increases the standard of living of the property owners.
This is very inefficient and wasteful. It affects millions of people directly. It has a long-term negative effect on our economy and on the lives of working people.
 
C’mon you know how this works, items 1 & 2, proof please, otherwise it just turns into a pantomime… “Oh no it won’t” etc.

Edit: if you can prove 1 I might believe 2👍
Look up government-owned or state-owned businesses in the UK.
It is simply very wrong to say that none of them contribute to the nation's coffers. Very wrong.

There used to be more contributing more - but very many have been put into private hands.
The governed owned 48% of Nat West a while ago. But much of this has been sold back to private hands.
The government owned a large stake in Eurostar bringing in millions of pounds of profit each year. But a chancellor of the exchequer sold this off to private funds and businesses.
 
Look up government-owned or state-owned businesses in the UK.
It is simply very wrong to say that none of them contribute to the nation's coffers. Very wrong.

There used to be more contributing more - but very many have been put into private hands.
The governed owned 48% of Nat West a while ago. But much of this has been sold back to private hands.
The government owned a large stake in Eurostar bringing in millions of pounds of profit each year. But a chancellor of the exchequer sold this off to private funds and businesses.
The whole issue of privatisation is too political for these delicate boards but I agree that most of the infrastructure industries should be nationalised to some extent.
And your point above re property is valid but the void has been created by the government not building enough social housing homes. (Again too political)
However you have not provided an instance where the public sector contributes more than they take out… I thought you were going to cite the London Underground. That’s the only business that I can think of that brings in serious money. Although it’s part of TFL so it’s not really clear, it only seems to run a a profit if you include the money raised by the ULEZ. Just fares income seems to just about cover operating costs... @PJ87 to comment.
 
The biggest private sector business in the UK is property renting.
Working people hand over their earnings to the wealthy property owners and property-owning businesses.
Rents are too high. Property values are too high and mortgages can not be obtained and people are thus forced to rent.
This lowers the standard of living of the renters and increases the standard of living of the property owners.
This is very inefficient and wasteful. It affects millions of people directly. It has a long-term negative effect on our economy and on the lives of working people.
So nothing to do with ordinary people renting out a house, possibly inheritance, trying to build up a pension pot?
 
The whole issue of privatisation is too political for these delicate boards but I agree that most of the infrastructure industries should be nationalised to some extent.
And your point above re property is valid but the void has been created by the government not building enough social housing homes. (Again too political)
However you have not provided an instance where the public sector contributes more than they take out… I thought you were going to cite the London Underground. That’s the only business that I can think of that brings in serious money. Although it’s part of TFL so it’s not really clear, it only seems to run a a profit if you include the money raised by the ULEZ. Just fares income seems to just about cover operating costs... @PJ87 to comment.

The underground runs at a massive profit but it's profits are used to prop up less profitable parts of TFL IE the buses. The second biggest income is from roads (not including ulez) which adds in.

All profits of TFL are reinvested into the network for improvements which is how public services should be run

Ulez profits (when they happen) are ring fenced for improvements in things like electric bus routes, making TFL greener with electric supply and such. But ulez will be a loss leader as the idea is all to switch people away from the costly to run cars
 
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