Changes to WHS in April 2024

[wjemather]

What is the difference between Course Handicap and Full Course Handicap?

Nothing. The word "full" is just being used to emphasise no allowances are applied.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Is this right?
A player might have scored 23 points on 9 of the holes in betterball comp, but that will have used 85%.
Using 100% (or FULL CH) he might have 1 or 2 more points and thus be given an even lower Score Differential.

 

[rulefan]

Is this right?
A player might have scored 23 points on 9 of the holes in betterball comp, but that will have used 85%.
Using 100% (or FULL CH) he might have 1 or 2 more points and thus be given an even lower Score Differential.

Isn't that what post #621 is indicating?
Comp result = PH
H'cap score = 'Full' CH

 

[wjemather]

Is this right?
A player might have scored 23 points on 9 of the holes in betterball comp, but that will have used 85%.
Using 100% (or FULL CH) he might have 1 or 2 more points and thus be given an even lower Score Differential.

This might help: https://static.whsplatform.englandg...s/whs/2024-update/4bbb-infographic-060324.jpg

In the example, the player scores for 25 points for their counting 9 holes. When scaled up (based on their partner's scores for the other holes) the total is 37 points. When adjusted for the 85% PH allowances (i.o.w. to use the full course handicap), 40 points is the total that gets submitted to WHS.

 

[Alan Clifford]

What is the difference between Course Handicap and Full Course Handicap?

A full course handicap is a pleonastic course handicap.

 

[Voyager EMH]

A full course handicap is a pleonastic course handicap.

Full is superfluous in other words?

 

[IanM]

pleonastic?

Crikey.

 

[AussieKB]

Read the fine print, WHS makes it a lot easier to understand.

 

[wjemather]

With regards to what scores will be sent to WHS for 4BBB competitions, this is essentially what IG said in their webinar yesterday:

• only the counting Stableford score on each hole will be sent to WHS, flagged as true/false to indicate which player scored (the flag can be set as true for both players).

This seems to be different to what others have reported from HandicapMaster regarding "full Course Handicaps".

 

[NearHull]

With regards to what scores will be sent to WHS for 4BBB competitions, this is essentially what IG said in their webinar yesterday:

• only the counting Stableford score on each hole will be sent to WHS, flagged as true/false to indicate which player scored (the flag can be set as true for both players).

This seems to be different to what others have reported from HandicapMaster regarding "full Course Handicaps".

The presentation we received from an EG Area Rep stated that all 4BBB scores are to be returned by the ISV to the EG Database. Only those over the “42 pts criteria” will appear in the individual’s record but the “less than 42 pts” scores will be held on the individual’s record in the background. EG intend to access this data for their use.

 

[wjemather]

The presentation we received from an EG Area Rep stated that all 4BBB scores are to be returned by the ISV to the EG Database. Only those over the “42 pts criteria” will appear in the individual’s record but the “less than 42 pts” scores will be held on the individual’s record in the background. EG intend to access this data for their use.

The question is how those scores are sent to WHS.
Both named ISVs indicate that it is just Stableford scores that will be submitted, not gross scores.
And one says those scores are with reference to (full) Course Handicap, while the other implies that it will be the score according to the competition (i.e. using 85% PH).

 

[D-S]

(a) Last week we received a request from the Golf Unions to change the way data is sent to the WHS servers for handicapping Four Ball competitions from 1st April.

This part of the email sent out last week by HandicapMaster amused me. The notion that last week was the first that they had heard of this and they haven’t been in discussions with the Unions about this for months.

 

[Imurg]

Given the apparent confusion on here, some ISV's not being in the same book let alone the same page, Clubs being in varying states of readiness, members having between some and no knowledge of what's going on.......
Is this really ready to be rolled out on Monday?
From where I'm sitting it's not even close......

 

[D-S]

Given the apparent confusion on here, some ISV's not being in the same book let alone the same page, Clubs being in varying states of readiness, members having between some and no knowledge of what's going on.......
Is this really ready to be rolled out on Monday?
From where I'm sitting it's not even close......

I think they’re banking on the fact that the appalling weather will mean that no-one’s playing comps next week, this’ll give them a few days grace to sort it all out.

 

[Swango1980]

This part of the email sent out last week by HandicapMaster amused me. The notion that last week was the first that they had heard of this and they haven’t been in discussions with the Unions about this for months.

The ISVs were equally garbage when WHS was rolled out.

 

[wjemather]

Given the apparent confusion on here, some ISV's not being in the same book let alone the same page, Clubs being in varying states of readiness, members having between some and no knowledge of what's going on.......
Is this really ready to be rolled out on Monday?
From where I'm sitting it's not even close......

Ultimately, players don't really need to know any of this, only be aware that changes are happening so they won't be surprised - and improved tools are coming their way for handicap lookup (e.g. IG's handicap calculator) so they should find things even easier.
Clubs and comp admins need to know and do a little more (decommission existing CH charts, set 4BBB comps to acceptable, etc.) but it still isn't much (or complicated).

 

[wjemather]

The ISVs were equally garbage when WHS was rolled out.

The ISVs saw what Scotland were doing (in providing a one-stop-shop to all clubs) and were concerned that their businesses would be severely impacted if successful, which could prompt England, Wales and Ireland to follow suit. That resulted in a less than satisfactory working relationship, and ultimately a blame game between the ISVs and unions.

 

[D-S]

Ultimately, players don't really need to know any of this, only be aware that changes are happening so they won't be surprised - and improved tools are coming their way for handicap lookup (e.g. IG's handicap calculator) so they should find things even easier.
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They certainly need to know that (for IG members) that they will have to download version 2.5 of the IG App after April 1st before they enter any scores.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think they’re banking on the fact that the appalling weather will mean that no-one’s playing comps next week, this’ll give them a few days grace to sort it all out.

We have a 36 hole comp on Saturday 18 holes and Monday 18 holes best net combined.
First board comp of the season.
Can’t belive they are going through with it but they are, given the course is so wet.

Will all handicaps change for the comp on Monday 1st or just play off old one as it’s the same comp.

 

[D-S]

We have a 36 hole comp on Saturday 18 holes and Monday 18 holes best net combined.
First board comp of the season.
Can’t belive they are going through with it but they are, given the course is so wet.

Will all handicaps change for the comp on Monday 1st or just play off old one as it’s the same comp.

Good question - no idea!