Will Manufacturers Drive Dress Code Change in Clubs?

[r0wly86]

Ironic that there seems to be a general acceptance on this forum that men over a certain age shouldn't wear football shirts because it's unseemly, but some are all for banning dress codes and having those same men in gym shorts, singlets and other such unseemly garments on the golf course.

You really couldn't make it up.

Where is this consensus? I think the majority of people here are saying they don't give two figs what someone wears

 

[RichA]

Actually I do get the ban on cargo shorts, here's what happens;

Try on cargo shorts in shop, these look pretty good, they'd be great for golf
Wear next day for 18, so versatile, go home raving and stick them in the wash to wear for tomorrows round
Next day PP says, Mate, why are you wearing a potato sack with pockets

They just don't survive the intended look beyond their first wear/wash

Get to your nearest Tesco Extra.
I pretty much live in my Tesco cargo shorts. They've been washed scores of times to no ill effect and worn on many golf courses without ever drawing comment.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Cargo shorts are perfect for golf, scorecard straight in one of the big pcokets on the hip, room for the glove when you're putting in the other side. No more walking round the golf course with the liner of your rear pocket hanging out, looking like you need an adult to help you get dressed on a morning.

 

[Jimaroid]

It's not logical to ban comfortable athletic clothing because of the standards and traditions of 50 years ago. If you think that's logic you don't know what logic means.

With apologies to Aristotle.

All men are wrong
Orikoru is a man
Therefore, Orikoru is wrong

I understand logic just fine, thanks.

 

[GB72]

Ironic that there seems to be a general acceptance on this forum that men over a certain age shouldn't wear football shirts because it's unseemly, but some are all for banning dress codes and having those same men in gym shorts, singlets and other such unseemly garments on the golf course.

You really couldn't make it up.

From a personal point of view, I have no issue with what anyone wears in general. I am nearly 50 and spend most of my spare time in jeans. a hoodie and vans. Some would say that it is not at all age appropriate or seemly but I reallly don't care. If anything I feel that I am beyond the age where I should care what other people feel about my lack of sartorial elegance

 

[Billysboots]

Your response was pathetic not you.

You seem to have some issue differentiating between attacking a person and attacking a post.

And you consider my contribution to be fatuous? Your reply amounted to one word. One. I would have to be either a mind reader or your best friend to differentiate between that being an attack by you on me or my post. Thankfully I am neither. As it happens, whether you believe me or my response to be pathetic, it amounts to the same thing - an attack on me as an individual.

You do realise that this is a discussion forum right, the whole point is to discuss things.

If you don't want to continue, fine, can't force you.

Then why have you spent the best part of the last 24 hours trying to do just that?

I directly responded to your reply to me, setting out several arguments, which you have ignored.

And guess what? I still haven’t read them. And neither will I, for reasons I have set out in plain English, more than once. It is not me who is struggling to interpret the written word here, clearly.

I said way up this particular thread that I disagree with denim jeans on the golf course. And I then explained why - my view being that, if you allow denim jeans on the course, it will not stop there. I illustrated that point by saying if you allow denims, ripped denims, string vests and pink Mohicans will follow. I said that to try and illustrate a point with humour. Perhaps I shouldn’t have bothered, this particular thread being littered with contributors who wouldn’t recognise humour if it leapt up and smacked them between the eyes. Do I expect to see string vests and pink Mohicans on the golf course? No, of course not. Ripped denims I’m really not so sure.

The fact is that standards breed behaviour. You see it in all walks of life. I’ve certainly seen it throughout my working life, both within the organisation I worked for, and beyond. If you have no rules whatsoever, you cannot then intervene when behaviour dips below an acceptable level. That’s precisely why so many golf clubs maintain dress codes. To maintain some sort of standard of behaviour on and off the course.

Your response, as I recall, was to the effect that what people wear on the course has no impact whatsoever on their behaviour on and off it. I believe that to be naive, and said so.

And that is what this is all about. You have taken umbrage at being called naive, and have been like a dog with a bone ever since. You have repeatedly come back at me, asking me to address your points, and I have declined to do so, setting out in very clear terms why I will not engage further in this debate with you as an individual.

Get over it, try and have at least a stab at understanding what I am saying to you, and move on.

 

[r0wly86]

And you consider my contribution to be fatuous? Your reply amounted to one word. One. I would have to be either a mind reader or your best friend to differentiate between that being an attack by you on me or my post. Thankfully I am neither. As it happens, whether you believe me or my response to be pathetic, it amounts to the same thing - an attack on me as an individual.



Then why have you spent the best part of the last 24 hours trying to do just that?



And guess what? I still haven’t read them. And neither will I, for reasons I have set out in plain English, more than once. It is not me who is struggling to interpret the written word here, clearly.

I said way up this particular thread that I disagree with denim jeans on the golf course. And I then explained why - my view being that, if you allow denim jeans on the course, it will not stop there. I illustrated that point by saying if you allow denims, ripped denims, string vests and pink Mohicans will follow. I said that to try and illustrate a point with humour. Perhaps I shouldn’t have bothered, this particular thread being littered with contributors who wouldn’t recognise humour if it leapt up and smacked them between the eyes. Do I expect to see string vests and pink Mohicans on the golf course? No, of course not. Ripped denims I’m really not so sure.

The fact is that standards breed behaviour. You see it in all walks of life. I’ve certainly seen it throughout my working life, both within the organisation I worked for, and beyond. If you have no rules whatsoever, you cannot then intervene when behaviour dips below an acceptable level. That’s precisely why so many golf clubs maintain dress codes. To maintain some sort of standard of behaviour on and off the course.

Your response, as I recall, was to the effect that what people wear on the course has no impact whatsoever on their behaviour on and off it. I believe that to be naive, and said so.

And that is what this is all about. You have taken umbrage at being called naive, and have been like a dog with a bone ever since. You have repeatedly come back at me, asking me to address your points, and I have declined to do so, setting out in very clear terms why I will not engage further in this debate with you as an individual.

Get over it, try and have at least a stab at understanding what I am saying to you, and move on.

haha

 

[hovis]

The fact is that standards breed behaviour. You see it in all walks of life. I’ve certainly seen it throughout my working life, both within the organisation I worked for, and beyond. If you have no rules whatsoever, you cannot then intervene when behaviour dips below an acceptable level. That’s precisely why so many golf clubs maintain dress codes. To maintain some sort of standard of behaviour on and off the course.

The fact is? Sorry that's not a fact, it's an opinion. Do you really think allowing people to have a pocket on the side of their shorts or having no collar on your shirt makes you less likely to repair a pitch mark or rake a bunker?. Like it's been mentioned before if dress codes where relaxed then people would wear cloths suitable for the sport. I can't imagine anyone wanting to play in a vest and flip flops.

 

[Billysboots]

The fact is? Sorry that's not a fact, it's an opinion. Do you really think allowing people to have a pocket on the side of their shorts or having no collar on your shirt makes you less likely to repair a pitch mark or rake a bunker?. Like it's been mentioned before if dress codes where relaxed then people would wear cloths suitable for the sport. I can't imagine anyone wanting to play in a vest and flip flops.

Fact, opinion, we’re splitting hairs.

 

[r0wly86]

The fact is? Sorry that's not a fact, it's an opinion. Do you really think allowing people to have a pocket on the side of their shorts or having no collar on your shirt makes you less likely to repair a pitch mark or rake a bunker?. Like it's been mentioned before if dress codes where relaxed then people would wear cloths suitable for the sport. I can't imagine anyone wanting to play in a vest and flip flops.

To believe what he has written, you have to believe one of two things.

That people who would behave badly on a golf course, are put off from playing because of a dress code including a polo shirt.

Or, those people already play golf, but for some reason wearing a polo shirt stops them

 

[theoneandonly]

I know a few muni courses with no dress code. All I have seen that you wouldn't at a typical member's club is the occasional golfer in jeans, the odd football top or t shirt and maybe the odd pair of short shorts . Certainly no pink mohicans or flip flops !!

 

[Neilds]

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The fact is that standards breed behaviour. You see it in all walks of life. I’ve certainly seen it throughout my working life, both within the organisation I worked for, and beyond. If you have no rules whatsoever, you cannot then intervene when behaviour dips below an acceptable level. That’s precisely why so many golf clubs maintain dress codes. To maintain some sort of standard of behaviour on and off the course.

I totally agree that there should be certain standards within a Golf Club but your logic is definitely flawed. Just think about the large workplace by the Thames in London where everyone wears suits and ties to work - they aren't exactly well behaved

 

[GB72]

The fact is that standards breed behaviour. You see it in all walks of life. I’ve certainly seen it throughout my working life, both within the organisation I worked for, and beyond. If you have no rules whatsoever, you cannot then intervene when behaviour dips below an acceptable level. That’s precisely why so many golf clubs maintain dress codes. To maintain some sort of standard of behaviour on and off the course.

n.

This is where I disagree in that we are now back to the old adage of judging a person by their appearance. My general finding is actually often the opposite in that I think I know more smartly dressed toerags and more unkempt salts of the earth. it is amazing the amount of times that assumption is made and I do get talked down to alot by people who do not know me becuase I choose to dress down in my free time. The interesting point is that, without rules you do not have any levels, acceptable or not as far as dress is concerned and I am fine with that. Rules as far as behaviour is concerned are perfectly acceptable but sadly rarely enforced. There are attitudes that I have seen expressed at golf clubs (as I mentioned, normally thinly veiled as a joke) that I would have some members straight out the door for but, hey, they have trousers and a collared shirt on so they cannot be in the wrong.

 

[Crazyface]

Where I'm playing next week they have sent out instructions on exactly what can be worn and where. Strangely no mention of t shirts or joggers and I get the impression that he'll would have frozen over before they would allow them.

 

[KenL]

Where I'm playing next week they have sent out instructions on exactly what can be worn and where. Strangely no mention of t shirts or joggers and I get the impression that he'll would have frozen over before they would allow them.

Were socks mentioned?

 

[Deleted member 15717]

To believe what he has written, you have to believe one of two things.

That people who would behave badly on a golf course, are put off from playing because of a dress code including a polo shirt.

Or, those people already play golf, but for some reason wearing a polo shirt stops them

There does seem to be a thought train that there are hooligans waiting on the hills for the moment that clubs reduce their dress code standards. The fact opinion held is that this just isn't the case. Clubs aren't going to be overrun by shirtless thugs because codes were relaxed. Let folks wear what they are comfortable in to play golf. The fact that jeans are not the best thing to play golf in will soon be occurring to folks, and the 'return' to what is current now will likely occur.

 

[IanM]

Good. Clarity is always helpful.

 

[patricks148]

Not many clubs up here have dress codes. Must be much more of a down south thing, even Dornoch let you wear jeans if you wanted to, not sure why you would though esp this time of year. Even saw a couple of old boys wearing them at ND this morning, I was sweltering in shorts.

 

[GB72]

Not many clubs up here have dress codes. Must be much more of a down south thing, even Dornoch let you wear jeans if you wanted to, not sure why you would though esp this time of year. Even saw a couple of old boys wearing them at ND this morning, I was sweltering in shorts.

Correct me if I am wrong bu North of the border golf has always been seen as a sport for everyone whereas historically golf down here has very much not been seen as that. I suspect that may account for the wonderfully relaxed attitude that is taken in Scotland.

 

[patricks148]

Correct me if I am wrong bu North of the border golf has always been seen as a sport for everyone whereas historically golf down here has very much not been seen as that. I suspect that may account for the wonderfully relaxed attitude that is taken in Scotland.

Yes much more of a game for the working man