Sports Personality of the Year 2016

[Dan2501]

mma is and always will be A KNUCKLE DRAGGERS SPORT. cant see the beeb wanting to have anything to do with it.
and as for your three and two page threads ,take away your posts and what would you be left with .
sorry mate but mma will never be mainstream .unlike the horsey events that belong in a more civilised arena,and as such fit the beebs criteria.
dont take trhis as a knock at mma ,but two people in a cage fighting like bar room brawlers isnt going to float the majority of people in the civilised world. a few yes but not in the numbers you are wishing for for.

Yet they're happy to nominate boxers. Athletes that compete in a sport FAR more dangerous, that causes way more deaths and more examples of long term brain damage.

Also, the UFC are getting far better numbers than Boxing since Floyd retired. Only Boxer that draws any numbers is Alvarez, and only in Mexico. McGregor and Rousey are far bigger stars than anyone in Boxing, and are watched by more people.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I would have thought that people would be able to understand exactly what the BBC Sports Personality of the Year is about - it's not a new program to us all and the same happens every single year

And I guess it still has relevance to yourself and others because you and others are posting about it - or is it just to let people know that the event has no relevance to you ( yet enough to bother posting about it ? )

Actually what I posted upon was what sports are in your expert eyes viewed as minority compared with those that might be seen as such by the wider public.

Its only relevance to me is as a licence payer. Since we are all obliged to fund the BBC we are, as a result, all entitled to comment on their output whether we choose to watch or not.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not true at all. The McGregor-Alvarez fight had a 3 page thread discussing it, McGregor-Aldo had a 10 page thread (which you posted in) and then the thread I started about Bisping had 2 pages of replies. How many posts were made about either of the Equestrian athletes?

Well if you look at the threads you mention the majority of posts are from yourself

I don't agree with what Norin said about "knuckle draggers" etc and MMA has a place in sport in the same way Boxing does but I don't agree with the thinking about the impact the people mention have - McGregor is prob the most well known but he will be miles behind the true global stars like Bolt

 

[Papas1982]

Well if you look at the threads you mention the majority of posts are from yourself

I don't agree with what Norin said about "knuckle draggers" etc and MMA has a place in sport in the same way Boxing does but I don't agree with the thinking about the impact the people mention have - McGregor is prob the most well known but he will be miles behind the true global stars like Bolt

But comfortably ahead of some of the names on the list i'd imagine.

I'm along the lines of it being good to review the years events, but pay no attention to the winners. The fact its sports personality shows that sporting triumphant is not always the most important factor.

Murray to win by a mile imo, and Vardy shouldn't be near the list. If John terry had been the one in the casino recorded like Vardy was, he'd have been destroyed by the press.

 

[richy]

Yet they're happy to nominate boxers. Athletes that compete in a sport FAR more dangerous, that causes way more deaths and more examples of long term brain damage.

Also, the UFC are getting far better numbers than Boxing since Floyd retired. Only Boxer that draws any numbers is Alvarez, and only in Mexico. McGregor and Rousey are far bigger stars than anyone in Boxing, and are watched by more people.

:rofl: Rousey was the face of the sport and she was embarrassed, outclassed and flattened by a boxer.

When boxing does it right MMA can't touch it.

 

[Dan2501]

:rofl: Rousey was the face of the sport and she was embarrassed, outclassed and flattened by a boxer.

When boxing does it right MMA can't touch it.

Not true at all. Holm has more professional boxing fights, but she's a kickboxer, not a boxer. She headkick KO'd Rousey for example, and is mainly known in MMA for her vicious kicking ability, not her boxing.

What do you mean by that last sentence?

 

[richy]

Not true at all. Holm has more professional boxing fights, but she's a kickboxer, not a boxer. She headkick KO'd Rousey for example, and is mainly known in MMA for her vicious kicking ability, not her boxing.

What do you mean by that last sentence?

She boxed for a far longer time than she kickboxed and has many more fights, therefore she's a boxer that has dabbled in kickboxing. As much as I don't enjoy watching women fight I quite enjoyed watching Rousey get humbled.

The last sentence means the big boxing matches eclipse anything MMA does. It's just they're far and few between at the moment which is the part of the sport I hate.

 

[Dan2501]

She boxed for longer because there's precisely zero money in female kickboxing. She started in kickboxing, continued to train kickboxing even when she was boxing professionally, and has won the large majority of her MMA fights with her kicks. She's a kickboxer.

Not really true though right now. Floyd and Tyson are the only guys to have ever drawn money like McGregor. No-one in boxing is drawing anywhere close to the numbers that the UFC are getting with McGregor right now. With Floyd retired, McGregor is the biggest name in combat sports, proven by the fact the Mayweather camp keep calling him out. Pacquiao's last fight only pulled 300k buys, Alvarez's fights do well in Mexico but that's about it, and then you've got a big list of guys that are tremendous boxers but not big draws, guys like Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin, Roman Gonzalez and Sergey Kovalev. MMA has far and away the biggest superstar in the world right now, and so as it stands the big MMA cards are WAY eclipsing anything in boxing.

 

[richy]

She boxed for longer because there's precisely zero money in female kickboxing. She started in kickboxing, continued to train kickboxing even when she was boxing professionally, and has won the large majority of her MMA fights with her kicks. She's a kickboxer.

Not really true though right now. Floyd and Tyson are the only guys to have ever drawn money like McGregor. No-one in boxing is drawing anywhere close to the numbers that the UFC are getting with McGregor right now. With Floyd retired, McGregor is the biggest name in combat sports, proven by the fact the Mayweather camp keep calling him out. Pacquiao's last fight only pulled 300k buys, Alvarez's fights do well in Mexico but that's about it, and then you've got a big list of guys that are tremendous boxers but not big draws, guys like Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin, Roman Gonzalez and Sergey Kovalev. MMA has far and away the biggest superstar in the world right now, and so as it stands the big MMA cards are WAY eclipsing anything in boxing.

This is totally getting away from the OP, if you'd like to start another thread on the subject I'd be happy to contribute. Even if it is only the 2 of us.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

She boxed for longer because there's precisely zero money in female kickboxing. She started in kickboxing, continued to train kickboxing even when she was boxing professionally, and has won the large majority of her MMA fights with her kicks. She's a kickboxer.

Not really true though right now. Floyd and Tyson are the only guys to have ever drawn money like McGregor. No-one in boxing is drawing anywhere close to the numbers that the UFC are getting with McGregor right now. With Floyd retired, McGregor is the biggest name in combat sports, proven by the fact the Mayweather camp keep calling him out. Pacquiao's last fight only pulled 300k buys, Alvarez's fights do well in Mexico but that's about it, and then you've got a big list of guys that are tremendous boxers but not big draws, guys like Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin, Roman Gonzalez and Sergey Kovalev. MMA has far and away the biggest superstar in the world right now, and so as it stands the big MMA cards are WAY eclipsing anything in boxing.

I'm not sure how that can be quantified or how you can back up a statement like that

But here is ESPN top 100

McGregor down at 36 with Rousey at 23

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15685581/espn-world-fame-100

If you use Forbes highest paid then McGregor comes in at 85

http://www.forbes.com/athletes/#1ce8147c6e34

Here is another article using popularity

http://uk.businessinsider.com/most-famous-athletes-2016-5?r=US&IR=T/#no-2-lebron-james-19

How can the biggest superstar in the world be in the MMA ?

 

[Dan2501]

I meant in terms of combat sports. We were discussing MMA vs Boxing and the relative PPV draws of each sport, of which McGregor is far away the biggest superstar right now. He's taken over Floyds mantel as the PPV king of combat sports.

There's no doubting McGregor's global superstardom though. UFC 205 garnered more social impressions than the SuperBowl. Heaps of celebrities including Madonna and Hugh Jackman bought tickets to be at Madison Square Garden on the night. It's trending to do over 1.8m PPV buys, a figure that would rank UFC 205 as the 4th highest combat sports PPV of all-time, surpassed only by Mayweather-De La Hoya, Tyson-Holyfield II and Tyson-Lewis.

 

[Fish]

Lost all its appeal for me, Andy is a shoe-in though, his consistency far outweighs anyone else on the list IMO, some of which shouldn't even have made the list, especially Vardy?

I note nobody has commented on Willett being nominated, personally he shouldn't be on the list either

 

[fundy]

Lost all its appeal for me, Andy is a shoe-in though, his consistency far outweighs anyone else on the list IMO, some of which shouldn't even have made the list, especially Vardy?

I note nobody has commented on Willett being nominated, personally he shouldn't be on the list either

wouldnt have been on my list either, sort of interesting that in golf winning the olympics not the pinnacle for a golfer, rose must be feel pretty hard done by when he looks at the list of nominees

 

[Deleted member 18588]

wouldnt have been on my list either, sort of interesting that in golf winning the olympics not the pinnacle for a golfer, rose must be feel pretty hard done by when he looks at the list of nominees

Doubt that he even knows about it, let alone cares.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

wouldnt have been on my list either, sort of interesting that in golf winning the olympics not the pinnacle for a golfer, rose must be feel pretty hard done by when he looks at the list of nominees

I think most on here and indeed golfers feel that the Olympics isn't the pinnacle for their career - in many other sports it is , the nominees from the Olympics would have that event as the pinnacle in their career

Willett would have the Masters hence why i expect he has been nominated and every time a golfer has won a major he has been nominated. There many more gold medal winners who also have been nominated and looking at list I personally don't see Rose winning as higher than any on there

 

[FairwayDodger]

I think Murray will win it. He's probably the preeminent British sportsperson at the moment and his achievements, in a popular sport, are pretty fantastic.

However, I don't think he should win it. Nowadays, it's nothing more than a popularity award and, as such, I think it should be spread around. Nobody should be able to win it more than once.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think Murray will win it. As a must see TV event it's had its time (maybe even a decade ago). It rumbles on for too long, with too many fillers

 

[Beezerk]

mma is and always will be A KNUCKLE DRAGGERS SPORT. cant see the beeb wanting to have anything to do with it.
and as for your three and two page threads ,take away your posts and what would you be left with .
sorry mate but mma will never be mainstream .unlike the horsey events that belong in a more civilised arena,and as such fit the beebs criteria.
dont take trhis as a knock at mma ,but two people in a cage fighting like bar room brawlers isnt going to float the majority of people in the civilised world. a few yes but not in the numbers you are wishing for for.

Do you feel better for getting that load of drivel off your chest?
Nurse, old bugger in ward 4 has wet himself again.

 

[Duckster]

I think Murray will win but I hope Jason Kenny gives him a run for his money. I'd also want Adam Peaty to be up there but can't see that happening.

 

[TheDiablo]

I'm not sure how that can be quantified or how you can back up a statement like that

But here is ESPN top 100

McGregor down at 36 with Rousey at 23

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15685581/espn-world-fame-100

If you use Forbes highest paid then McGregor comes in at 85

http://www.forbes.com/athletes/#1ce8147c6e34

Here is another article using popularity

http://uk.businessinsider.com/most-famous-athletes-2016-5?r=US&IR=T/#no-2-lebron-james-19

How can the biggest superstar in the world be in the MMA ?

To be fair, all of those are based on 2015 earnings and data. I would be amazed if he wasnt top 20 across each of those in next year's versions, which for a minority sportsman is some achievement. He will earn $40m+ in 2016. He is doing for other MMA fighters what Tiger did for his competitors - raising all of their paycheques by association.

No way he should win Overseas compared to Bolt though - I'm 100% with you on that one!