Random Irritations

[GB72]

Problem I find with Clarkson is he is the farage of the farming world. Soon as he is involved the issue gets lost and it's a side show

Very true but I guess you have to weigh up whether that is better than having a voice that goes unheard. Not sure which side I am on with that.

Actually, Jay Raynor the food critic publishes some very good articles in support of farmers and the UK food chain, he would be a better voice

 

[PJ87]

Very true but I guess you have to weigh up whether that is better than having a voice that goes unheard. Not sure which side I am on with that.

Actually, Jay Raynor the food critic publishes some very good articles in support of farmers and the UK food chain, he would be a better voice

Think it shows the state of society in general that well educated and balanced views don't get the air time compared to big shouty people

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Totally agree and we can now see plenty who are happy to mark all farmers as rich, land owning gentry to support their argument in the same way that it was done with doctors, nurses etc.

I don’t think anyone has labelled “all” farmers as rich , land grabbing hence why the first post was specifically towards those that are rich hence why the likes of Clarkson were mentioned

 

[PaulMdj]

Totally agree and we can now see plenty who are happy to mark all farmers as rich, land owning gentry to support their argument in the same way that it was done with doctors, nurses etc.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have some sort of impartial fact/truth establishment that could be trusted rather than have immediate doubt of whatever issue comes along based on what the media wants to tell us or our political allegiances/mistrusts.

 

[GB72]

Wouldn’t it be nice to have some sort of impartial fact/truth establishment that could be trusted rather than have immediate doubt of whatever issue comes along based on what the media wants to tell us or our political allegiances/mistrusts.

Yeah but I think we may have been naive about how much we were dictated to in the past. Trouble is, however idealistic you may set out to be, everyone develops a stance or an opinion and it is nigh on impossible to keep that out of your opinions.

I would just be happy to go back to an age where you could acknowledge that someone had a good point and use that in your thinking rather than having to stick to your original ideas because do not do so would be an embarrassing U turn etc. Debate has died partly because you are simply not allowed to change your mind now.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You are missing a big point here. The tax is paid on the value of the farm, not what actual money the farmer has. Just because your land is worth loads doesn't mean you can spend that at the shops. The same applies to people who live in big expensive houses but struggle to pay the bills each month.

I know it’s based on the value of the farm

And the belief is that it won’t be affecting the majority of farmers

How many farm lands have value of over £3mil

Depends on who you ask - suspect there is more down south with land more expensive

There is a loophole that some are using to avoid paying IHT - this will close and shouldn’t affect the majority of farmers

The idea that have seen posted which I think is very good is no IHT paid on lands that will continue to be farmed on

 

[PaulMdj]

Yeah but I think we may have been naive about how much we were dictated to in the past. Trouble is, however idealistic you may set out to be, everyone develops a stance or an opinion and it is nigh on impossible to keep that out of your opinions.

I would just be happy to go back to an age where you could acknowledge that someone had a good point and use that in your thinking rather than having to stick to your original ideas because do not do so would be an embarrassing U turn etc. Debate has died partly because you are simply not allowed to change your mind now.

There’s certainly more information out there now than in the past.

Most opinions from the past were probably imprinted on us as our World was “relatively” so small, you voted who your parents voted for, you read certain newspapers etc.

Sadly today I believe the media has got worse, look at the example of how Clarkson was questioned yesterday.

Is it us Joe Public that is at fault for buying into and listening to said media?

Like you mentioned Nurses etc, sometimes it would just be nice to have facts without spin.

 

[PJ87]

I know it’s based on the value of the farm

And the belief is that it won’t be affecting the majority of farmers

How many farm lands have value of over £3mil

Depends on who you ask - suspect there is more down south with land more expensive

There is a loophole that some are using to avoid paying IHT - this will close and shouldn’t affect the majority of farmers

The idea that have seen posted which I think is very good is no IHT paid on lands that will continue to be farmed on

With the loop hole closed farm land value will stabilise aswell so the farmers going into the tax bracket (actual people not the clarksons) will not go into the bracket

 

[PJ87]

There’s certainly more information out there now than in the past.

Most opinions from the past were probably imprinted on us as our World was “relatively” so small, you voted who your parents voted for, you read certain newspapers etc.

Sadly today I believe the media has got worse, look at the example of how Clarkson was questioned yesterday.

Is it us Joe Public that is at fault for buying into and listening to said media?

Like you mentioned Nurses etc, sometimes it would just be nice to have facts without spin.

There is a game I like to play called "how can the daily mail make this a bad story"

Normal article "fireman saves cat from tree "

Daily mail spin

"Immigrants cat wastes tax payers money being removed from tree by overworked fireman"

 

[RichA]

This was raised on our town FB page last night. The answer given by a local councillor was that there simply are not the numbers of staff to grit pavements. Cost would also come into it. Far too many miles, it is not practical. He did also point out to those complaining, they provided plenty of grit bins in key areas, people are welcome to come along and spread the grit themselves. They can not rely on council workers for everything.

You may not like the reply but it probably applies to your area as well.

Yeah, I get that.
No snow where I live yet, but near neighbours and I on our street always clear and grit each other's drives and the pavements around our properties. My grumble is that culturally it's never really been something we take responsibility for, as long as our cars can get around ok.

 

[GB72]

Back to the woes of rural communities, we get one road out of the village gritted as that is the route of the school bus. Everything else we have to sort ourselves.

Ironically, guess who are the biggest help, especially when cars get stuck or go off the road, the farmers.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Uncleared and ungritted pavements. The roads are now fine where I am today in Notts but the pavements are a massive hazard for pedestrians.
Any old folks walking outside will be risking a potentially life-changing fall for the next week. Why don't we clear pavements?

Time , cost and manpower

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yeah, I get that.
No snow where I live yet, but near neighbours and I on our street always clear and grit each other's drives and the pavements around our properties. My grumble is that culturally it's never really been something we take responsibility for, as long as our cars can get around ok.

A good few years ago we had a bad winter, snow pretty much every day for 2-3 weeks, icy temps so it never went away. I would clear my drive, the road in front of my house and a bit more of the street. I hoped that others would see what I had done and 'do their bit'. We could then clear our bit of road between us all meaning we could reach the gritted section of the estate without too many issues. I did this for about 4 days and realised that no one else was doing anything other than their own drive. At that point I stopped clearing the extra and just did my drive and the section outside of my house so that it was easier for me to turn in at night, not icy. It was a shame but I think that is often the mentality in the UK. People expect govt, local or central, to do these things and wont help themselves.

 

[RichA]

Time , cost and manpower

I largely meant "we" as in all of us. I bought a massive bag of salt / sand / grit mix about 5 years ago. The cost was a few quid and doing the area around my house takes 10 minutes about 4 times a year on average.

 

[PJ87]

I largely meant "we" as in all of us. I bought a massive bag of salt / sand / grit mix about 5 years ago. The cost was a few quid and doing the area around my house takes 10 minutes about 4 times a year on average.

Where did you get said salt? I keep using dishwasher salt when it gets icy .. be better to use the real stuff

 

[GB72]

Where did you get said salt? I keep using dishwasher salt when it gets icy .. be better to use the real stuff

Not massive bags but most of the supermarkets near me sell driveway salt. Think B&Q do as well

 

[PJ87]

Not massive bags but most of the supermarkets near me sell driveway salt. Think B&Q do as well

Thanks I'll check it out , could do with it for winter.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not massive bags but most of the supermarkets near me sell driveway salt. Think B&Q do as well

Shell Garages and also Homebase ,

 

[venger]

Uncleared and ungritted pavements. The roads are now fine where I am today in Notts but the pavements are a massive hazard for pedestrians.
Any old folks walking outside will be risking a potentially life-changing fall for the next week. Why don't we clear pavements?

I previous employment I was told that "if we grit paths and someone falls over, we are liable. No gritting, no liability" or words to that effect.

 

[GB72]

I previous employment I was told that "if we grit paths and someone falls over, we are liable. No gritting, no liability" or words to that effect.

That certainly can be the case for private land such as supermarket car parks etc. Whilst most do grit them, it can be an admission of liability if someone slips and falls.