SteveW86
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You’d also need to be very careful making someone redundant. Doing that incorrectly can get you in a whole world of trouble
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You’d also need to be very careful making someone redundant. Doing that incorrectly can get you in a whole world of trouble
Golfmmad
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But it still has to be read surely?
ColchesterFC
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I'm sure there's a rule that you make the position redundant rather than the person which means that if they make him redundant they can't then employ someone else to do his job for a certain period of time.
Fade and Die
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Nah you just bung it in a carrier bag and hang it on the Dead Man’s Handle.
PJ87
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Simple change of job title solves that
Beezerk
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I don’t think they could do that in our job, there’s about a dozen of us all with the same job title albeit me and another lad have senior in front of it, not age related btw
PJ87
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I don’t think they could do that in our job, there’s about a dozen of us all with the same job title albeit me and another lad have senior in front of it, not age related btw
They changed us from line control to service control when they restructured lol
creative
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Indeed as was the case with my final employment. They wanted to move some of the remote Project Management from UK-based to Poland - Polish PMs being significantly cheaper for any project or service. The role remained exactly the same. I was offered voluntary exit, though in effect I was being offered voluntary redundancy.
He holds all of the cards here. Unless the job is redundant or they can show his work has dropped off, and they have tried to resolve those problems, he can take them to the cleaners. Removing the retirement age has been a disaster for many companies. They can not force the retirement. Do you have a personnel dept? I'm guessing not, or the boss just doesn't listen to them.One of my older colleagues turns 66 next month, still fit as a fiddle and a decent engineer. Apparently our manager has told him they want him to retire next month, this is despite him having already agreed he would work past retirement age.
I feel this one is going to get messy
You can't just change the title if the job remains the same. Tricksy efforts like that don't go down well at tribunals.
PJ87
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Normally take on slightly different responsibilities, tweeks here and there
You take the risk if that happens. Will the tribunal see through it or believe it? Depends how much an employer wants to gamble.
PJ87
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Depends who has the better lawyers
Not necessarily. Ultimately you are talking to a tribunal of legal people. The laws are relatively straightforward in employment if you break them down, which the tribunal will do. You can have the most expensive barrister in the country but the tribunal will not get overwhelmed by that. They will look at the facts of the case, A, B, C. Expensive lawyers come into their own in complicated cases but in most employment law it's fairly straightforward and about following procedure. Do it correctly and you win. Do it wrongly and you lose.
This isn't a Man City job
Beezerk
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HR? You having a laugh
I can only think the bosses are being badly advised or they have something up their sleeve. I know the guy in question can be very lazy at times, it’s a running joke how he always seems to work locally and is back home by 2pm. He’s not had any warnings that I’m aware of
Neilds
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I will be really happy if my employers do that. Can't understand people wanting to keep on working - must not be a golferOne of my older colleagues turns 66 next month, still fit as a fiddle and a decent engineer. Apparently our manager has told him they want him to retire next month, this is despite him having already agreed he would work past retirement age.
I feel this one is going to get messy
It's all about procedure and following the staff handbook etc. He could be the worst employer out there but if they haven't raised it with him officially and logged it then they are starting at square one. One for you to sit back and watch unfoldHR? You having a laugh
I can only think the bosses are being badly advised or they have something up their sleeve. I know the guy in question can be very lazy at times, it’s a running joke how he always seems to work locally and is back home by 2pm. He’s not had any warnings that I’m aware of
. As you said, if he wants it to then it could get messy.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Only works if you don't need the income or are offered a decent package to 'retire'.I will be really happy if my employers do that. Can't understand people wanting to keep on working - must not be a golfer
Beezerk
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It's all about procedure and following the staff handbook etc. He could be the worst employer out there but if they haven't raised it with him officially and logged it then they are starting at square one. One for you to sit back and watch unfold
The popcorn has been open for a while
The popcorn has been open for a while
The guy’s coming up 66, and they want him out…? If they force him out they’re on really dodgy ground, and by the time they achieve that he’ll be a lot closer to 67. If he then gets a solicitor involved it’ll cost the company well into 4 figures and probably close to a 5 figure sum.
Jeez, just offer him a golden parachute, and everyone comes out smelling of roses.
