Slime
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It looks like it's getting quite feisty at Aintree.
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Just because the death penalty is on the statute books doesn’t mean it has to be imposed. Do you not think the existence of the ultimate deterrent may just act as that, a deterrent?
For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t have shed a single tear if Ian Huntley had received the death penalty. And I say that as someone who once spent a day discussing the full details of what he did to those poor girls with Chris Stevenson, the Detective Chief Superintendent who ultimately led the Soham investigation. So I’m not just relying on press reporting to help form an opinion.
Why should I have to have a “proper look” at myself for saying I would not oppose having the ultimate deterrent on the books?
PJ87
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If you look into the stats (it was in the news after 30p Lee opened his mouth) that in countries with the death penalty crime isn't any lower .. especially violent crime
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Murder Rate of Death Penalty States Compared to Non-Death Penalty States
The Death Penalty Information Center is a non-profit organization serving the media and the public with analysis and information about capital punishment.…
If you look into the stats (it was in the news after 30p Lee opened his mouth) that in countries with the death penalty crime isn't any lower .. especially violent crime
Source
And that's just the USA .. who are apparently civilisedMurder Rate of Death Penalty States Compared to Non-Death Penalty States
The Death Penalty Information Center is a non-profit organization serving the media and the public with analysis and information about capital punishment.…deathpenaltyinfo.org
I wouldn’t cite any stats from a country with gun laws like theirs in support of an argument against capital punishment.
Fade and Die
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I understand your point, and accept that if there was a referendum next week your view would probably win, but cases like this are the reason not to have the death penalty…
Man wrongly locked up for killing girl speaks out over his 40 years of hell
Noel Jones, 61, finally had his conviction for killing Janet Commins overturned at the Court of Appeal
www.dailypost.co.uk
PJ87
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Fact check: No proof the death penalty prevents crime
Following the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran in Bali, debate about the role of the death penalty in society has led to calls for Australia to push for an end to the punishment around the world. During a visit to Bali in February, Victorian Supreme Court judge Lex Lasry said the...
www.abc.net.au
World wide.
Doesn't stop the drug trade .. doesn't eve. Deter them a little bit
I understand your point, and accept that if there was a referendum next week your view would probably win, but cases like this are the reason not to have the death penalty…
Man wrongly locked up for killing girl speaks out over his 40 years of hell
Noel Jones, 61, finally had his conviction for killing Janet Commins overturned at the Court of Appealwww.dailypost.co.uk
I doubt it would win, after 30p got involved it was quickly pushed under the carpet and nobody wants to back it as it's so unpopular
I understand your point, and accept that if there was a referendum next week your view would probably win, but cases like this are the reason not to have the death penalty…
Man wrongly locked up for killing girl speaks out over his 40 years of hell
Noel Jones, 61, finally had his conviction for killing Janet Commins overturned at the Court of Appealwww.dailypost.co.uk
I will always be uncomfortable with the potential for miscarriages of justice. But the standard of investigations now, in particular the sources of available evidence, simply don’t compare to the 1970’s.
DNA, CCTV, and other sources of incontrovertible forensic evidence are such that miscarriages of the nature you cite really shouldn’t happen today.
Please don’t misunderstand me - I’m not after executing offenders left right and centre. But if certain very, very strict criteria are met I do think the option should be there.
PJ87
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Who would do the deed? How would you select them?
No humane person would want to do it and No1 else is suitable.
cliveb
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Not sure I have properly understood you.
It appears that you're suggesting that if there is a death penalty, then this would encourage suicidal people to commit murder instead of killing themselves - have I got that right?
That's a pretty weird line of thought - you're suggesting that there may be some seriously unhinged people out there who wouldn't commit murder unless they themselves wanted to die. I'll counter that by suggesting that the number of people who are prepared to commit murder because they know they won't face the death penalty is likely to be far greater.
Just what exactly is it that is wrong about humanely executing people who have unambiguously demonstrated themselves to be evil and cannot ever operate in society?
Just saying "it has no place in a civilised society" isn't enough. You need to explain WHY it has no place.
Debate requires more than simply stating your position.
I've tried to explain why I think that humane execution might actually be more merciful than condemning the offender to suffer abuse at the hands of other prison inmates for the remainder of their life, and therefore why in some cases it might have a place in civilised society.
Back in post #38102 you said: "Let natural punishment inside take place", which sounds to me as if you applaud the torture the murderers will receive while in prison.
And then you ask people to take a proper look at themselves. The irony is breathtaking.
There would have been a queue to see the back of Huntley.
As for how you would select them, it’s a moot point because, regardless of my views or anyone else’s, it’ll never happen. The chances of there ever being a referendum are zero. The politicians had their fingers burned when they naively thought they’d win the last big referendum this country had - they’re not about to make the same mistake again.
PJ87
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Why should they get the easy way out of the punishment for their actions?
People act like prison is easy... It's really not
Look at America a lot of the guns to schools want to be shot. It's not far fetched at all
Bunkermagnet
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I'm just suprised theres those who think the acts carried ou by these 2 "parents" doesn't warrant more than a life in prison.
Just how innocent do you have to be to have those acts and injuries put on you if 10 months old isn't innocent enough?
Just how innocent do you have to be to have those acts and injuries put on you if 10 months old isn't innocent enough?
cliveb
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OK, so you've now shown your true colours and revealed that your preferred punishment for these people is to be subjected to years/decades of abuse while in prison.
And in another breath you talk about "civilised society".
Make your mind up.
PJ87
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I said it about post 1 that they will be dealt with inside
However they shouldn't get an easy way out.
Their liberties will be taken away.
Confined to a small room
Let out couple hours a day
Living with what they did
Judged by everyone they come across
Not being able to trust anyone they meet as their past will be known
Or just kill em.. easy way out
As I will keep saying. It has no place. I've made my point and if you can't see it that's your choice.
If you find someone to administer the fatal injection that person isn't much better than those who did those actions in the first place.
There is a massive difference between those already in prison dishing out their breed of justice which rightly or wrongly happens than state funded murder
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PhilTheFragger
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Agree to disagree chaps please 
Agree to disagree chaps please
Well timed intervention. The reply I’d prepared to post #38138 might just have seen me taking a sabbatical.
backwoodsman
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You only need to look at the US to see that it's not deterrrent.
My objection to capital punishment lies on the grounds of where do you draw the line? Some heinous crimes may seem obvious. But what about something a bit less serious. And a bit less serious than that. And so on. If you think that line can be drawn, then please say, with certainty, where it is?
Slime
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I'd do it, especially if they'd committed a crime against anyone in my family.
PJ87
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Always a very hard debate when it comes to capital punishment
No one imo should have the right to take another live out of punishment - it is very hard when you see some of the crimes being committed by some people
We know it’s not a deterrent so it’s just about removing someone’s life as an eye for eye scenario and we as a country are more civilised than that
There should be the ultimate prison sentence for those offenders where the crime is beyond imaginable-no home comforts , small cell , no windows , basic toilets , solitary confinement for the rest of their life , no visits from anyone and to life the rest of their life alone never being released.
No one imo should have the right to take another live out of punishment - it is very hard when you see some of the crimes being committed by some people
We know it’s not a deterrent so it’s just about removing someone’s life as an eye for eye scenario and we as a country are more civilised than that
There should be the ultimate prison sentence for those offenders where the crime is beyond imaginable-no home comforts , small cell , no windows , basic toilets , solitary confinement for the rest of their life , no visits from anyone and to life the rest of their life alone never being released.
