F1 2019

[robinthehood]

Lovely polite reply. I find the sport in general boring these days with a predominantly two team race at each circuit, barring any incidents and places like Monaco are a bore fest as overtaking is so hard. I merely asked, as I seemed to remember an incident a few seasons back where a driver was allowed to pass a teammate and it created a furore. Clearly nothing happened

the point is there are boring races and excellent races, like there are crappy football matches and really good ones.
Sure we'd like to see more wheel to wheel action and F1 hope to make it more exciting in the future.
But the 'its boring' line that gets trotted out is just lazy and not knowing about team orders clearly shows you dont watch it and its just a post for posts sake.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

the point is there are boring races and excellent races, like there are crappy football matches and really good ones.
Sure we'd like to see more wheel to wheel action and F1 hope to make it more exciting in the future.
But the 'its boring' line that gets trotted out is just lazy and not knowing about team orders clearly shows you dont watch it and its just a post for posts sake.

Sadly though F1 is too prosessional with the cars too hard to follow and overtake, and I say that as an avid F1 fan.
I would like to see a big reduction in the complex wings and aero elements, reduce tyre choice to hard, soft or wet and do away with mandatory tyre changing.
I don’t know whether budget caps will ever really work, but the Ferrari bias to the monies given out has to stop and be more evenly distributed. I would also abolish drivers being able to race just because of their financial backing, regardless of whether they have a super license or not. Drivers should be there on ability and performance level, not budget they bring to the team (ala Stroll etc)

 

[robinthehood]

Sadly though F1 is too prosessional with the cars too hard to follow and overtake, and I say that as an avid F1 fan.
I would like to see a big reduction in the complex wings and aero elements, reduce tyre choice to hard, soft or wet and do away with mandatory tyre changing.
I don’t know whether budget caps will ever really work, but the Ferrari bias to the monies given out has to stop and be more evenly distributed. I would also abolish drivers being able to race just because of their financial backing, regardless of whether they have a super license or not. Drivers should be there on ability and performance level, not budget they bring to the team (ala Stroll etc)

Thats all supposed to be happening in 2021, with big changes to wheel size, more use of ground effect in producing downforce amongst other things. it will be interesting to see how it shapes up.

 

[jim8flog]

do away with mandatory tyre changing.
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Without mandatory tyre changing they might as well just run qualifying at some tracks and announce the winner from that, so much of the overtaking is done ' in the pit lane' these days that F1 would have little to offer at tracks like Monaco without it.

Make 2 changes mandatory.

 

[Cherry13]

Thats all supposed to be happening in 2021, with big changes to wheel size, more use of ground effect in producing downforce amongst other things. it will be interesting to see how it shapes up.

Testing for the new cars is apparently going well, although they believed this in 2008, and the issues still existed after. They believe they’ve got the wake down too 5/10% which is a massive reduction.

It’ll be interesting to see what areas they leave open to development, wing size and shape (curves) will be set, but they may leave scope for areas to be developed on the sides of the wings. Once the teams start to do this that % wake might increase as ultimately that’s better for the team. Makes it harder for someone to follow them.

I think realistically they’ll never get below 0.250 of a second advantage for a car to be able to pass someone in front. The tracks just aren’t set up for side by side racing like nascar/touring etc

 

[Cherry13]

Without mandatory tyre changing they might as well just run qualifying at some tracks and announce the winner from that, so much of the overtaking is done ' in the pit lane' these days that F1 would have little to offer at tracks like Monaco without it.

Make 2 changes mandatory.

There is a school of thought to go either way on this. I think you’d need to reduce the race length, but similar to MotoGP you have two options. An extreme hard tyre which comes to peak late in the race. Or a softer tyre which peaks early on. Ultimately overtaking happens in f1 on track when people are on conflicting strategies, therefore this could create that where an individual has tyres ‘going away’ and another they are ‘coming to him’. It would make for some interesting strategic decisions before a race and much more splitting of team strategy.

I agree tracks like Monaco would be pants, but ultimately they are anyway.

From a personal view I think they need to go the way you suggest and enforce 2 changes. So 3 sets during a race.

 

[robinthehood]

Pitstops are very much a part of F1. I don't see that changing any time.

Worth a read

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...or-racings-future.1Yaz5mXGa4RqEzyCt8meC2.html

 

[Cherry13]

Pitstops are very much a part of F1. I don't see that changing any time.

Worth a read

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...or-racings-future.1Yaz5mXGa4RqEzyCt8meC2.html

Yeh read that, and very good. I agree with the aesthetics, I actually think it’s quite important. In particular to a team like Ferrari. The step in the nose was the recent low point on this front.

 

[GB72]

Sadly though F1 is too prosessional with the cars too hard to follow and overtake, and I say that as an avid F1 fan.
I would like to see a big reduction in the complex wings and aero elements, reduce tyre choice to hard, soft or wet and do away with mandatory tyre changing.
I don’t know whether budget caps will ever really work, but the Ferrari bias to the monies given out has to stop and be more evenly distributed. I would also abolish drivers being able to race just because of their financial backing, regardless of whether they have a super license or not. Drivers should be there on ability and performance level, not budget they bring to the team (ala Stroll etc)

I cannot see budget caps working. Teams like Ferrari have F1 as a core marketing tool for their business and to not be able to spend what they like so as they remain competitive each year would detract from their reason to be there. How would it look these days to a prospective supercar purchaser to see Ferrari or Mercedes regularly beaten by a Ford or Renault engine.

 

[robinthehood]

I cannot see budget caps working. Teams like Ferrari have F1 as a core marketing tool for their business and to not be able to spend what they like so as they remain competitive each year would detract from their reason to be there. How would it look these days to a prospective supercar purchaser to see Ferrari or Mercedes regularly beaten by a Ford or Renault engine.

It wasn't that long ago they were getting trounced by a Renault engine. It is important for Ferrari and F1 for them to be competitive.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I cannot see budget caps working. Teams like Ferrari have F1 as a core marketing tool for their business and to not be able to spend what they like so as they remain competitive each year would detract from their reason to be there. How would it look these days to a prospective supercar purchaser to see Ferrari or Mercedes regularly beaten by a Ford or Renault engine.

Ferrai have it enshrined they get the largest amount of money as they "are F1". The Ford Cosworth engine had a long run with many cars, Renault and Honda also with Williams (along with the Ford), so I don't think you can diss them just because they aren't the main "supercar brands"

 

[GB72]

Ferrai have it enshrined they get the largest amount of money as they "are F1". The Ford Cosworth engine had a long run with many cars, Renault and Honda also with Williams (along with the Ford), so I don't think you can diss them just because they aren't the main "supercar brands"

Apologies, not dissing them just thought that it would dent the promotional value that Ferrari etc get from F1 if limited budgets saw their engines being regularly beaten by what are seen more as everyday car manufacturers.

 

[Beedee]

They're trying a dry run of the cost cap next year, but with no penalties for breaking the rules and a bunch of exceptions. The limit is $175m, and the exceptions include driver's pay (plus costs for driver's entourage), chief exec pay, and engine development costs.

 

[bobmac]

What do people think about the reverse grid idea, fastest qualifires out last?
I think it might work if 75% of the points were awarded for qualifying and 25% for the race or 50% 50%

 

[Beedee]

It can't be done on qualifying time or else every lap in qualifying will last for days. Maybe on championship position or results of the last race, but then there's no point in having qualifying and the F1 circus loses the whole point of Saturday.

Maybe a sprint race of 10 laps with a reversed grid from the previous race, and worth a few points, to set the grid for the main race, and lots of points.

 

[bobmac]

It can't be done on qualifying time or else every lap in qualifying will last for days.

Why would it, if the fastest qualifier got, say 15 points, 2nd 12 points etc

 

[Beedee]

Why would it, if the fastest qualifier got, say 15 points, 2nd 12 points etc

So you think the top teams will want to trade a chance of 25 points for a race win, for the chance of 15 for qualifying, but then virtually no chance of the win in the big race?

In all rule changes in F1 you have to think how can this rule be subverted and stretched, and what the unintended consequences will be. F1 is built around stretching every loophole to the absolute limit. You can't think of how good the best case will be with the rule change; it's limiting how bad the worst case will be.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

What do people think about the reverse grid idea, fastest qualifires out last?

I think they have something similar in touring cars but the real difference there is the ability to pass and so the good drivers can still get through the field. I can't see it working at San Marino etc where passing is so hard anyway. Decent idea but until there is a level playing field F1 will be all about "brand Ferrari" and Mercedes dominating. Hard to see how/who is going to change the current status quo. The only silver lining is Leclerc who seems a quick and talented racer and so get him in a good, reliable car going head to head with Hamilton and next season could be a good old fashioned showdown

 

[bobmac]

So you think the top teams will want to trade a chance of 25 points for a race win, for the chance of 15 for qualifying, but then virtually no chance of the win in the big race?

Bt you wouldn't get 25 points for the win as I said in post no. 234

I think they have something similar in touring cars but the real difference there is the ability to pass and so the good drivers can still get through the field.

How many times have you seen a top 6 car start at the back of the field/pit lane and still end up in the points?

 

[robinthehood]

Bt you wouldn't get 25 points for the win as I said in post no. 234




How many times have you seen a top 6 car start at the back of the field/pit lane and still end up in the points?

Homer doesn't watch F1, he just makes tired lazy comments...
Otherwise hed know that Alborn started from the pits in Russia and finished 5th and made some awesome moved along the way.