F1 2019

[Beedee]

To be fair to the stewards the drivers have previously requested to be allowed to get on with racing with minimal interference... The 'errors' of Vettel and Stroll were correctly punished and Lewis wasn't overly upset (in the post race interview) with Charles tactics...

Can't agree about the stewards. Charles was on a black and white warning flag. Makes a mistake into a corner, made the decision to cut the corner in order to retain the lead, and gets away with it because the FIA/stewards bottled it.

I wonder how much Ferrari are regretting some of the earlier decisions to hamstring Le Clerc in favour of Vettel?

 

[bobmac]

After the last GP Leclerc was asked about squeezing Hamilton off the track.
His answer basically was
''Verstappen did it to me and wasn't done for it so I thought I'd try it and it worked''
When Hamilton heard that he replied
''I may have to adjust my driving accordingly''
Singapore is going to be fun

 

[robinthehood]

After the last GP Leclerc was asked about squeezing Hamilton off the track.
His answer basically was
''Verstappen did it to me and wasn't done for it so I thought I'd try it and it worked''
When Hamilton heard that he replied
''I may have to adjust my driving accordingly''
Singapore is going to be fun

They've certainly set a precedent. They are out now in fp1

 

[robinthehood]

Another Ferrari implosion and vettel up to his old tricks. There is a piece on planet f1 this morning about how leclerc could well have been in the championship fight had Ferrari not favoured vettel so much.

 

[Slime]

The way everything is falling for Hamilton they may as well give him the championship now.

 

[Cherry13]

An alryt race, on a track that I personally don’t enjoy. A few talking points though which could get into.

LH - I thought he was lucky not to drop down to 4th at start, Sainz got ahead but then wasn’t aggressive enough, probably didn’t want to risk a collision but he comfortably could have squeezed Hamilton a bit and made him brake earlier. After that Lewis was always racing for maximum points and the win landed on him rather than taking it. Don’t think LeClerc would have caught him even if got past bottas at end.

Vettel/Ferrari/LeClerc - I think vettel was right, he would have took the place even with out the order, the order existed entirely to stifle LH. I think Ferrari have then kept SV out for an extra lap 4 in total to ensure CL gets undercut, but he would have then had a chance towards end of race to go back. Ferrari are a bit of a mess, they’ve backed the wrong driver and likely will either need to change policy or ditch SV next year, but I don’t think they are set up to be a 2 driver team like others so the latter may be only option.
As it happens, I don’t think LeClerc would be that much better off anyway. He’s been on a steep learning curve but adapted well. He would have made too many mistakes at start of season if top driver. (All my opinion and guess work of course)

The title is over now. VBs job will be to ensure that Lewis gets it. No racing or fighting for position, he had his chance at start of season, now he’ll be expected to play the good wingman.

 

[Midnight]

To any one who understands F1, I was listening to one of the drivers saying on the radio to his team 'give me all we have got'.
Is it the driver who controls the power or is that done by the team? As said don't follow F1 but was just wondering?

Cheers

Midnight...

 

[robinthehood]

Used to be the drivers , deffo at Merc. But these days the team do it after Lewis and Rosberg turned on qualy mode without permission

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Ferrari have no one to blame but themselves. For years they have orchestrated their no1 driver the win over his team mate, and now the other teams are doing likewise. SV is a spent force, and someone who whilst may be good isn’t in the same league as LH with his petulance and anger issues. Ferrari will have to re-evaluate how they operate next year or give SV the push if they want to challenge Merc and LH.
I did wonder yesterday whether someone at Ferrari HQ quietly hit the kill switch on SV’s car so he failed to finish. They deliberately kept him out longer than they should have, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had deliberately finished his race to show him who is boss.
I must say I don’t like Sochi as a track.

 

[Cherry13]

Used to be the drivers , deffo at Merc. But these days the team do it after Lewis and Rosberg turned on qualy mode without permission

I thought this was outlawed? Are they not just asking for permission, then doing it themselves. I don’t know for definite, but I do know it used to be outlawed to do.

 

[robinthehood]

I thought this was outlawed? Are they not just asking for permission, then doing it themselves. I don’t know for definite, but I do know it used to be outlawed to do.

I'm not 100 sure. You're right that they do change stuff as they drive.

 

[jim8flog]

To any one who understands F1, I was listening to one of the drivers saying on the radio to his team 'give me all we have got'.
Is it the driver who controls the power or is that done by the team? As said don't follow F1 but was just wondering?

Cheers

Midnight...

Most of the teams have various driver set engine modes available. The most power is what is known as qualfiying mode, only normally used for the final qualifying session and occasionally to the very end of a race. The team usually give permission for the driver to use this mode when appropriate.

They are limited to the number of engines they are allowed to have in a season so the power is limited to preserve engine life.

 

[Slime]

Most of the teams have various driver set engine modes available. The most power is what is known as qualfiying mode, only normally used for the final qualifying session and occasionally to the very end of a race. The team usually give permission for the driver to use this mode when appropriate.

They are limited to the number of engines they are allowed to have in a season so the power is limited to preserve engine life.

They should also be limited to the number of drivers they use during a season, and that limit should be set at just one.
As long as there are two drivers, results can be manipulated and that's not proper racing.
Either just one driver or no drivers' championship.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

They should also be limited to the number of drivers they use during a season, and that limit should be set at just one.
As long as there are two drivers, results can be manipulated and that's not proper racing.
Either just one driver or no drivers' championship.

Out of interest, how long has their been two men teams in the constructors championship. Clearly it s a prestigious prize with a historical background but has it always had two drivers per team. I don't think we'll see a change as F1 want the spectacle of 20-22 man grids and we clearly can't have that many teams

 

[Slime]

Out of interest, how long has their been two men teams in the constructors championship. Clearly it s a prestigious prize with a historical background but has it always had two drivers per team. I don't think we'll see a change as F1 want the spectacle of 20-22 man grids and we clearly can't have that many teams

No idea, but, back in the day, they had no team orders barked at them during the race as there was no comms other than the pit boards.
Ahhh, those were the days of proper motor racing.

 

[ger147]

No idea, but, back in the day, they had no team orders barked at them during the race as there was no comms other than the pit boards.
Ahhh, those were the days of proper motor racing.

You mean like when Fangio was driving a Ferrari?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No idea, but, back in the day, they had no team orders barked at them during the race as there was no comms other than the pit boards.
Ahhh, those were the days of proper motor racing.

I agree. I thought they had clamped down on team orders? I think radios have a place (if only to get safety messages out to the driver or back to the pits) but there has to be a way to monitor all radio traffic and act upon any team giving orders (but then they'll only use code words). Sadly I can't see a simple way to change it now the genie is out the bottle

 

[Cherry13]

No idea, but, back in the day, they had no team orders barked at them during the race as there was no comms other than the pit boards.
Ahhh, those were the days of proper motor racing.

1985 was the last time a team ran with 3 cars. I believe Renault added a french driver at the french gp for obvious reasons. Before that it happened as hoc, but it’s primarily a cost issue. Up until early 2000s(?) teams had 3 cars, a spare in the garage.
Team orders and preferential treatment has always existed. Fangio was given his team mates car who he was directly competing against!

What’s often overlooked is that the drivers championship is (technically) worth £0. You don’t get any extra money for winning the drivers championship just the prestige (sponsors etc). So ultimately everything the team is looking out for is to ensure that the team score maximum points.

 

[robinthehood]

I agree. I thought they had clamped down on team orders? I think radios have a place (if only to get safety messages out to the driver or back to the pits) but there has to be a way to monitor all radio traffic and act upon any team giving orders (but then they'll only use code words). Sadly I can't see a simple way to change it now the genie is out the bottle

Maybe watch the sport as opposed to making Ill informed comments.
Team orders are allowed, it's getting vettel to listen that's the problem 😂😂

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Maybe watch the sport as opposed to making Ill informed comments.
Team orders are allowed, it's getting vettel to listen that's the problem 😂😂

Lovely polite reply. I find the sport in general boring these days with a predominantly two team race at each circuit, barring any incidents and places like Monaco are a bore fest as overtaking is so hard. I merely asked, as I seemed to remember an incident a few seasons back where a driver was allowed to pass a teammate and it created a furore. Clearly nothing happened