Dress codes

[Neilds]

so what other rules don't you comply with.

Out of bounds?

 

[Deleted member 25575]

so what other rules don't you comply with.

Firstly I don’t think reading my initial post I said anywhere that I don’t comply with it, but regardless, changing shoes in the car park I’m sure I’ve broken that a time or 3, I did wear trainers in Lytham upstairs until told that wasn’t allowed, so removed them and sat unhappily in my socks.
It’s 2024 life has moved on from the good old days, at work (IT) I am no longer required to wear shirt and tie and my output has not dropped off as a result, I even wear polos some days at work and don’t tuck them in, and that doesn’t change my output either!
My eldest is in high school and he goes to school with his shirt untucked and I have no issue with that for the sake of his comfort or fashion and or do the school it seems as he’s never been asked to change that and as far as I can tell his grades aren’t suffering as a result.
Just because a rule exists does not mean it’s sensible.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Firstly I don’t think reading my initial post I said anywhere that I don’t comply with it, but regardless, changing shoes in the car park I’m sure I’ve broken that a time or 3, I did wear trainers in Lytham upstairs until told that wasn’t allowed, so removed them and sat unhappily in my socks.
It’s 2024 life has moved on from the good old days, at work (IT) I am no longer required to wear shirt and tie and my output has not dropped off as a result, I even wear polos some days at work and don’t tuck them in, and that doesn’t change my output either!
My eldest is in high school and he goes to school with his shirt untucked and I have no issue with that for the sake of his comfort or fashion and or do the school it seems as he’s never been asked to change that and as far as I can tell his grades aren’t suffering as a result.
Just because a rule exists does not mean it’s sensible.

Whilst I agree that some rules , dress code or any other don’t seem sensible of silly

It’s a basic requirement to follow the rule though

I think it’s beyond stupid that some clubs don’t allow trainer socks with shorts or wearing a jacket when it’s hot inside etc

But if I want to play there then I’ll follow the rule because that’s basic respect for the establishment you are visiting

 

[Deleted member 25575]

Whilst I agree that some rules , dress code or any other don’t seem sensible of silly

It’s a basic requirement to follow the rule though

I think it’s beyond stupid that some clubs don’t allow trainer socks with shorts or wearing a jacket when it’s hot inside etc

But if I want to play there then I’ll follow the rule because that’s basic respect for the establishment you are visiting

Or you could make a point and stand up against a rule?
Just because something is a rule doesn’t make it right or sensible.
It wasn’t very many years ago that people of colour were required to stand up on a bus, Rosa Parks didn’t agree with it and as a result things changed for the better. I realise equating something of the magnitude of equality to something as trivial as dress code on a golf course is not an equal or fair comparison, but the point stands that just because something is a rule doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be questioned or stood up to

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Or you could make a point and stand up against a rule?
Just because something is a rule doesn’t make it right or sensible.
It wasn’t very many years ago that people of colour were required to stand up on a bus, Rosa Parks didn’t agree with it and as a result things changed for the better. I realise equating something of the magnitude of equality to something as trivial as dress code on a golf course is not an equal or fair comparison, but the point stands that just because something is a rule doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be questioned or stood up to

we are talking about wearing a bit of clothing here as opposed to oppression based on skin colour

If someone invited you in their house and asked you to remove your shoes because it was their rule would you respect it or “stand up against it and make a point” and trapse through their house in your shoes

Yes question , and ask about the rule but follow it until it’s changed , if you are a visitor then you have chosen to visit knowing the rules , and the visiting club would expect everyone to follow the rules

If a member then follow the process to get the rules changed

Would people who think dress code rules are silly and not comply with them do the same for the rules of the sport - if they think the rule is silly ?

 

[Orikoru]

we are talking about wearing a bit of clothing here as opposed to oppression based on skin colour

If someone invited you in their house and asked you to remove your shoes because it was their rule would you respect it or “stand up against it and make a point” and trapse through their house in your shoes

Yes question , and ask about the rule but follow it until it’s changed , if you are a visitor then you have chosen to visit knowing the rules , and the visiting club would expect everyone to follow the rules

If a member then follow the process to get the rules changed

Would people who think dress code rules are silly and not comply with them do the same for the rules of the sport - if they think the rule is silly ?

There's a logical and sensible basis to being asked that though. i.e. they don't want dust and muck on their carpet etc. So it's a reasonable request.

 

[Oddsocks]

Well we agree on one thing. They should be embarrassed at telling an adult to tuck their shirt in.

But why should they feel embarrassed because you can’t adhere to a simple request by the club even though you know they don’t want Asbo Adam with his snap back on in the bar?

Should they also feel embarrassed asking you to brush the toilet after you’ve left burn outs or do you just leave them there as you “ wasn’t expressly asked “ to remove tyre damage?

 

[Deleted member 25575]

we are talking about wearing a bit of clothing here as opposed to oppression based on skin colour

If someone invited you in their house and asked you to remove your shoes because it was their rule would you respect it or “stand up against it and make a point” and trapse through their house in your shoes

Yes question , and ask about the rule but follow it until it’s changed , if you are a visitor then you have chosen to visit knowing the rules , and the visiting club would expect everyone to follow the rules

If a member then follow the process to get the rules changed

Would people who think dress code rules are silly and not comply with them do the same for the rules of the sport - if they think the rule is silly ?

No, if I visited someone and they asked me to remove my shoes I would do so, I would make the assumption they wished to protect their carpet or flooring from dirt and or damage.
And yes I made the point myself that comparison of equality and dress code were not fair or equal, but thanks for pointing that out.
Nothing about the shirt tucked in has any basis of sense though; there is no logical argument that can be made for that rule being of the betterment of anything. Unlike the aforementioned shoes in someone’s house.
So yes I’d not tuck my polo in, if and when someone challenged me on that I’d explain to them that the rule doesn’t make sense and the fact it’s likely my polo wouldn’t stay fully tucked in all round and then ask them how long it would be acceptable for it to be either fully or partially untucked, if I’m taking a practice swing do I need to stop my pre shot routine to tuck it back in, then get back to me pre shot routine thus slowing things down? If it’s ok to go through the rest of my routine and hit my shot then tuck it back in, why is it ok to be untucked for say 30 seconds and not 3 hours? What is the cut off who decides this.
It is a nonsense

 

[Orikoru]

But why should they feel embarrassed because you can’t adhere to a simple request by the club even though you know they don’t want Asbo Adam with his snap back on in the bar?

Should they also feel embarrassed asking you to brush the toilet after you’ve left burn outs or do you just leave them there as you “ wasn’t expressly asked “ to remove tyre damage?

It's embarrassing that the rule still exists, and I honestly thing if the person working there is of my generation or similar, there's a good chance they will feel that way too. In which case they'd be embarrassed about having to ask people, assuming they've been told to do so.

I have no idea what 'Asbo Adam' with a snapback is supposed to represent, nor do I know why you want to bring toilets into it. We are talking about an inch or two of material here, not life and death.

 

[Slab]

Dress Codes

Always the same discussion in sports and specifically golf

Clubs have dress codes of differing levels and varieties

When going to a club I would suspect the easiest thing is to see what their dress code is and then there is two options - respect it or don’t go to that club

And that’s at any club and any level

If it says don’t wear joggers then don’t wear joggers , if it says shirts must be tucked in then tuck the shirt in

That’s just a very basic level of respect for the club and the rules they set out

And it also stops the need for any embarrassing situations where someone is needed to be spoken to about any incorrect golfing attire

Life is full of choices and the good thing about golf is there is always a club that will suit everyone’s ideas of what you can wear

But always respect the rules and wishes of any club you visit - and that’s not just dress codes , that’s also any rules on the course

Now if you are a member of a club and think a rule is outdated - then follow the process to see if the rule can be updated.

Respect in sport and golf will always be good

I'd say there's only a couple of reasons for it be embarrassing

Either the person pulling up someone lacks basic civility and communication skills and causes embarrassment or the rule itself is embarrassing to pull someone about and therfore causes the embarrassment simply by its existence

 

[IanM]

There's a logical and sensible basis to being asked that though. i.e. they don't want dust and muck on their carpet etc. So it's a reasonable request.

But (prepare yourself for a shock) your interpretation of logical and sensible won't always be the same as someone else's.

I'm sure there are folk who think your golf attire is posh and stuffy. And folk who think you're a scruffy blighter.

What a weird concept.

My mum always told me that manners cost nothing, and being invited somewhere means nothing. It's being invited back you need to worry about

 

[Arthur Wedge]

There's a logical and sensible basis to being asked that though. i.e. they don't want dust and muck on their carpet etc. So it's a reasonable request.

And for the club that’s put a dress code in place the could believe that it’s sensible and logical for them and their club and their members - should their wishes not be followed by all that visit ?

There are very small numbers of people who believe that every dress code is right and sensible

But there are many who will still follow that dress code because it’s the right and respectful way to act regardless of where you are

 

[Deleted member 25575]

we are talking about wearing a bit of clothing here as opposed to oppression based on skin colour

If someone invited you in their house and asked you to remove your shoes because it was their rule would you respect it or “stand up against it and make a point” and trapse through their house in your shoes

Yes question , and ask about the rule but follow it until it’s changed , if you are a visitor then you have chosen to visit knowing the rules , and the visiting club would expect everyone to follow the rules

If a member then follow the process to get the rules changed

Would people who think dress code rules are silly and not comply with them do the same for the rules of the sport - if they think the rule is silly ?

And to your last question, yep I think a number of rules of golf are silly and thus do not comply with them.
Putting everything out for example, stupid, so most of the time when a few inches away I just scoop my ball.
Lost ball, if I think I’ll find it and not hit a provisional, I’ll drop one down where I assume it’s lost and count that as my 3. If I notice I’m teed up an inch in front of the markers I just hit anyway. I would imagine there are a number of other rules I break regularly most of which I’m not even aware of.

 

[Orikoru]

And for the club that’s put a dress code in place the could believe that it’s sensible and logical for them and their club and their members - should their wishes not be followed by all that visit ?

There are very small numbers of people who believe that every dress code is right and sensible

But there are many who will still follow that dress code because it’s the right and respectful way to act regardless of where you are

All the people who put these dress codes in place are now dead of old age I should expect. As I've mentioned several times, most clubs have tucked shirts in their printed dress code but the majority haven't enforced that in years. There's no harm in me turning up with it untucked to 'test the water' given that I'll be more comfortable that way, and if somebody does ask me to tuck it in, they're within their rights to ask and I'll do it begrudgingly; before allowing it to untuck itself naturally on the golf course as it would do anyway. And if we're all very lucky, nobody will die as a result of this.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'd say there's only a couple of reasons for it be embarrassing

Either the person pulling up someone lacks basic civility and communication skills and causes embarrassment or the rule itself is embarrassing to pull someone about and therfore causes the embarrassment simply by its existence

That’s always a tough one because people don’t like to seem stuffy and approach people to ask them politely to follow rule’s, some don’t like confrontation

We have removed all smoking areas and there is one single area now - it’s always tough asking people to not smoke in certain areas and a few times it’s been followed by abuse

And it’s the same with asking people to follow the dress code , ours is very relaxed but we ( and yes I ) have asked people to not wear - cargo shorts , joggers ( tracksuits ) etc and most will react positively

 

[Arthur Wedge]

All the people who put these dress codes in place are now dead of old age I should expect. As I've mentioned several times, most clubs have tucked shirts in their printed dress code but the majority haven't enforced that in years. There's no harm in me turning up with it untucked to 'test the water' given that I'll be more comfortable that way, and if somebody does ask me to tuck it in, they're within their rights to ask and I'll do it begrudgingly; before allowing it to untuck itself naturally on the golf course as it would do anyway. And if we're all very lucky, nobody will die as a result of this.

How about just following the rules is that really that hard to do ?

That way is saves anyone having to pull you up on it

And many clubs have committees that review the dress codes

It’s just basic human respect and any club you visit I suspect will ask to follow their rules.

And that’s it at the end of the day - 99% will be polite and respectful and follow the rules.

But if you don’t then don’t be shocked if you are approached and maybe even asked to leave

 

[Neilds]

All the people who put these dress codes in place are now dead of old age I should expect. As I've mentioned several times, most clubs have tucked shirts in their printed dress code but the majority haven't enforced that in years. There's no harm in me turning up with it untucked to 'test the water' given that I'll be more comfortable that way, and if somebody does ask me to tuck it in, they're within their rights to ask and I'll do it begrudgingly; before allowing it to untuck itself naturally on the golf course as it would do anyway. And if we're all very lucky, nobody will die as a result of this.

Get yourself some proper golf trousers with the rubber stuff on the inside of the waistband - will solve this for you

 

[Backache]

Incidentally I've not actually come across a dress code regarding shirts being tucked in. Having googled the poshest clubs closest to me which includes two that have held the open . This is not stated on the websites of a course. though there is generally a statement of suitable golf attire.

 

[Orikoru]

How about just following the rules is that really that hard to do ?

That way is saves anyone having to pull you up on it

And many clubs have committees that review the dress codes

It’s just basic human respect and any club you visit I suspect will ask to follow their rules.

And that’s it at the end of the day - 99% will be polite and respectful and follow the rules.

But if you don’t then don’t be shocked if you are approached and maybe even asked to leave

You're not paying attention. I'm saying the rule is out of date and most (rational) people don't care how you wear your shirt. As well they shouldn't. I just want to feel as comfortable as possible while playing my favourite sport. Not much to ask as a paying customer. No one's going to ask you leave and lose out on money because you arrive with your shirt untucked, get real. If you refuse to tuck it when asked then yes, but I've already said I wouldn't do that.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Again. @Orikoru tucking his shirt in or not has absolutely no impact on me.

Other people smoking or people wearing shoes in my house possibly does.

Rules are great and must be followed. Until it’s carry only, then it’s discrimination