tobybarker
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just done a search and nowt comes up. Is it somewhere obvious?
Changes to WHS in April 2024
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tobybarker
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Wales Golf:
How it works?
Course Handicap™ calculation using unrounded calculation. A
male player playing the Celtic Manor 2010 course from the White
tees (C.R. – 74.6, SLOPE - 135, Par 71), with a Handicap Index of
10.0.
CH™ = (H.I. x (SLOPE/113)) + (C.R.-PAR)
CH™ = (10.0 x (135/113)) + (74.6 – 71)
CH™ = (10.0 x 1.1946902) + (3.6)
CH™ = 11.94690265 + 3.6
CH™= 15.546902 (16)
With a Playing Handicap™ allowance of 95%
Playing Handicap™ = 15.54 * 0.95
14.76 (15) = 15.54 * 0.95
The Playing Handicap™ would be 15.
if the CH is 15.546902 in this example, shouldnt it be 95% of 15.55, not 15.54...? Only a small difference, admittedly
How it works?
Course Handicap™ calculation using unrounded calculation. A
male player playing the Celtic Manor 2010 course from the White
tees (C.R. – 74.6, SLOPE - 135, Par 71), with a Handicap Index of
10.0.
CH™ = (H.I. x (SLOPE/113)) + (C.R.-PAR)
CH™ = (10.0 x (135/113)) + (74.6 – 71)
CH™ = (10.0 x 1.1946902) + (3.6)
CH™ = 11.94690265 + 3.6
CH™= 15.546902 (16)
With a Playing Handicap™ allowance of 95%
Playing Handicap™ = 15.54 * 0.95
14.76 (15) = 15.54 * 0.95
The Playing Handicap™ would be 15.
if the CH is 15.546902 in this example, shouldnt it be 95% of 15.55, not 15.54...? Only a small difference, admittedly
wjemather
Well-known member
2024 WHS Update section of the EG website.
tobybarker
Active member
Thanks. None of that mentions 90 percent of difference in 4bbb
Oldbutwise
New member
WHS Guidance Doc V 2.3 Try that page 45/46
Golfie
New member
Also if you have lost or gained a shot due to CR-par calculation net double bogey on hole will have changed so could impact on differential calculation.
rulefan
Tour Winner
How so? The formula in 5.1a hasn't changed.
Golfie
New member
True but the adjusted gross score might have due to the change in calculation of course handicap
rulefan
Tour Winner
How would that affect the Adjusted Gross Score?
Golfie
New member
For example under the new calculation of CH using CR - par I will receive one shot less as our CR is 0.4 less than par and the roundings on that particular calculation will take the handicap down whereas the previous calculation took it up. Hence one stroke lower on course handicap. If I then,on the hole where that stroke has been lost, have a bad hole I receive a maximum score for the hole for handicap purposes of a net double bogey adjustment. That adjustment will be one shot lower than prior to the April change, therefore the calculation of the differential has been affected by the change. This obviously will only happen in a few cases.
wjemather
Well-known member
Nett double bogey adjustments are dependent on CH, so may be different on a small number of holes from April.
Alan Clifford
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5.10 Accepting Individual Scores From Four-Ball Formats
I've just been reading this in the England Golf version of the revised WHS rules of handicapping. My reaction? What were they smoking when they thought this one up?
I've just been reading this in the England Golf version of the revised WHS rules of handicapping. My reaction? What were they smoking when they thought this one up?
D-S
Well-known member
The Rules of Handicapping on the EG website does not have a 5.10 - it stops at 5.9 as far as I can see?
Alan Clifford
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rulefan
Tour Winner
1 April 2024
5.10 Accepting Individual Scores From Four-Ball Formats Rule
2.1a of the Rules of Handicapping does not include Four-Ball rounds in the list of authorized formats of play, which means that Four-Ball scores are not generally acceptable for handicap purposes.
However, a player’s performance in an 18-hole, Four-Ball competition will be used for handicap purposes if all of the following requirements are met:
(i) The team returns a net score of at least 6 better than par (i.e. 42 points or better in Stableford, -6 or better in formats where results are recorded as gross or net scores, or relative to par),
(ii) A player's individual score counts for the Four-Ball team score at least 9times, and
(iii) A player’s individual 18-hole score is equal to or better than 36 Stableford points, as calculated using the procedure below.
For handicap purposes, an individual player’s Four-Ball score must be processed in Stableford points and an 18-hole score is calculated using the following procedure:
* When a player’s score counts towards the team score, they are given the appropriate number of Stableford points for that hole.
* Where a player’s score does not count towards the team score, they receive 1½ Stableford points except when a player’s score does not count, and their
partner’s score is 1 Stableford point, the player also receives 1 Stableford point.
* Where the team score on a hole is zero Stableford points, both players’ scores count towards the team score and they are given zero Stableford points for that hole.
* Where both players score the same number of points on a hole, both scores are eligible to be used to create an individual 18-hole score. However, if the first player to hole out can be readily identified, the second player's score should not count towards the team score for that hole.
* The player’s 18-hole points total is rounded down to the nearest wholenumber.
Notes:
1. The player’s full, unrestricted Course Handicap should be used to calculate their individual score.
2. If the submitted score is an exceptional score, the normal Rules of Handicapping apply and an exceptional score reduction will be made (see Rule 5.9).
3. If a concurrent singles event is being played, all scores must be handicapped as singles scores and the Four-Ball score must not be used.
D-S
Well-known member
Thanks got it now.
D-S
Well-known member
As has been pointed out the calculation of shots in 4 ball and foursomes matchplay has recently been changed to be 90 and 50% of the difference between the teams Course Handicaps.
As I understand and as it says in the updated Mixed Tee calculator,
we are told that the Course Handicap is now an unrounded number however the calculator shows the Course Handicaps as a rounded number - how are these two different things squared?
As I understand and as it says in the updated Mixed Tee calculator,
we are told that the Course Handicap is now an unrounded number however the calculator shows the Course Handicaps as a rounded number - how are these two different things squared?
D
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Nope, from April 1st it's the rounded CH. Are you maybe confusing this with individual scoring? From April 1st Wales, Ireland & England will follow the Scottish method of using the full unrounded CH and working 95% of that for your playing handicap. In 4BBB matchplay this will not be the case.
wjemather
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England Golf didn't come up with this.
As has been discussed before, Australia have been operating this method for several years.
