Changes to WHS in April 2024

[NearHull]

I believe we may well recommend getting rid of the boards as the calculation that they will display will cause confusion (I.e.it being rounded versus the unfounded number from which PHs will be devised in comps). The issue is how to replace their function in a way that is quick, easy and accessible for all.
Additionally we are creating another shorter course and having additional tees rated for women so they would have become either very large or incredibly busy.

I believe this is going to be an issue at every club.

 

[Voyager EMH]

"Multiply your HI by either 132/113 or 127/113 then either add 0.8 or subtract 0.9. Don't do any rounding yet. Then apply 95% or 90% as appropriate. Then round to a whole number"

One massive board with above words very large.

What could be simpler?



OR

Printouts in the pro-shop should be made available, eg



We could stick some of these on the inside of the pro-shop window - looking out - if you get what I mean.

 

[D-S]

"Multiply your HI by either 132/113 or 127/113 then either add 0.8 or subtract 0.9. Don't do any rounding yet. Then apply 95% or 90% as appropriate. Then round to a whole number"

One massive board with above words very large.

What could be simpler?



OR

Printouts in the pro-shop should be made available, eg

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We could stick these on the inside of the pro-shop window - looking out - if you get what I mean.

Not a bad idea but would also have to have columns for 100%, 95%, 90%, 85% and 75% across 5 sets of tees for men and 3 sets of tees for women so the Pro shop needs large windows.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Not a bad idea but would also have to have columns for 100%, 95%, 90%, 85% and 75% across 5 sets of tees for men and 3 sets of tees for women so the Pro shop needs large windows.

Not extra columns, but separate sheets.
Most popular ones on the windows, others available inside to consult or take away.

 

[Swango1980]

I believe we may well recommend getting rid of the boards as the calculation that they will display will cause confusion (I.e.it being rounded versus the unfounded number from which PHs will be devised in comps). The issue is how to replace their function in a way that is quick, easy and accessible for all.
Additionally we are creating another shorter course and having additional tees rated for women so they would have become either very large or incredibly busy.

Might be easiest to tell golfers to just come up with their own handicap system for social golf. I'm sure it'll be easier for them to do something they are all happy with. Bit like when Jimmy Bullard plays people on YouTube and they just sort of pluck a number of shots and go with it.

Then in competition golf, let the computer do it.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Might be easiest to tell golfers to just come up with their own handicap system for social golf. I'm sure it'll be easier for them to do something they are all happy with. Bit like when Jimmy Bullard plays people on YouTube and they just sort of pluck a number of shots and go with it.

Then in competition golf, let the computer do it.

I think the majority will make up their own version for social golf, just as you say.
But a sizeable minority will want to do it the one correct way. These should perhaps be catered for in some way so that they can be confident that they have got it right.

 

[Genu9]

A while ago I devised a lookup for the guys who are in our Roll-up so they can check their handidap on their phone using Google Sheets.
I've just updated it ready for 2024 changes. I think it falls in line with what is changing and gives both 'Rounded' (as now) and 'Unrounded' (as proposed) Playing Handicap and shows the difference. If you want your own copy just select 'make a copy' from the 'File' option. (You may need to sign up to Google if you aren't already).

Just remember this copy resides on my Google Drive and can be changed by anyone with the link.

Handicap Calculator

Gonna have to accept that technology will need to be used.

 

[Swango1980]

I think the majority will make up their own version for social golf, just as you say.
But a sizeable minority will want to do it the one correct way. These should perhaps be catered for in some way so that they can be confident that they have got it right.

I genuinely don't believe the majority will make up their own system. If they struggle to use a look up table or App, I don't think they'll have much success in running their own system. Unless they just make up the numbers, which a minority might do, and might always have done

 

[clubchamp98]

Might be easiest to tell golfers to just come up with their own handicap system for social golf. I'm sure it'll be easier for them to do something they are all happy with. Bit like when Jimmy Bullard plays people on YouTube and they just sort of pluck a number of shots and go with it.

Then in competition golf, let the computer do it.

That’s basically what they do in the US.

And we copied it.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think the majority will make up their own version for social golf, just as you say.
But a sizeable minority will want to do it the one correct way. These should perhaps be catered for in some way so that they can be confident that they have got it right.

They can’t , because it’s a secret!

 

[clubchamp98]

Gonna have to accept that technology will need to be used.

AI will take over .!

 

[D-S]

I think the majority will make up their own version for social golf, just as you say.
But a sizeable minority will want to do it the one correct way. These should perhaps be catered for in some way so that they can be confident that they have got it right.

This exactly why, if for example you 90% of your CH in your official 4 ball matchplay match is, lets say 6, but when you look at the board prior to a social game 90% of the rounded CH gives you 5, then questions will be asked and confusion will ensue. Best to have the 'right' number always.

 

[D-S]

I believe we may well recommend getting rid of the boards as the calculation that they will display will cause confusion (I.e.it being rounded versus the unfounded number from which PHs will be devised in comps). The issue is how to replace their function in a way that is quick, easy and accessible for all.
Additionally we are creating another shorter course and having additional tees rated for women so they would have become either very large or incredibly busy.

Sounds as if our boards will remain but with just a QR code taking players to a PH calculator, combined with printed sheets in the Spike Bar and Pro Shop.

 

[D-S]

I see EG have put out the dates for their educational workshops. For us down here it is a bit little and a bit late. We have 135 clubs in the South West (Glos, Devon, Cornwall and Somerset - I am not including Wilts and Dorset as they may attend another one), however there is only one workshop and that is in the very east of the region (Bristol) so the odds of getting more than half the clubs there is very low indeed. When Glos ran 4 roadshows last year, 2 on zoom and one north and one south we only reached about two thirds of the clubs.
Also the workshop is 6 weeks before implementation so little time for this reps that can attend to get the message through to their members.
Last year when it was just an update, all counties were tasked with putting on a series of educational workshops and measured on them, this year when there are a few changes it's a lot less - odd.

 

[doublebogey7]

The R&A have announced some further changes, including to the PCC calculation.

World Handicap System™ Revisions Announced for 2024

The first update to the World Handicap System™ (WHS™) as part of an ongoing review of the Rules of Handicapping™ and Course Rating System™.

www.randa.org

 

[YandaB]

The R&A have announced some further changes, including to the PCC calculation.

World Handicap System™ Revisions Announced for 2024

The first update to the World Handicap System™ (WHS™) as part of an ongoing review of the Rules of Handicapping™ and Course Rating System™.

www.randa.org

I though that EG had already made the PCC change? No mention of 4BBB scores or the CR-Par which to me are the more noteworthy changes.

 

[IanM]

That was doing the rounds on another group I'm on.

Much mirth and gnashing of teeth!

 

[wjemather]

I though that EG had already made the PCC change? No mention of 4BBB scores or the CR-Par which to me are the more noteworthy changes.

Correct, the PCC update was adopted in GB&I earlier this year.

4BBB & CR-Par are only changes for GB&I; they aren't global changes to WHS - they are simply options that GB&I hadn't originally chosen.

 

[rulefan]

The R&A have announced some further changes, including to the PCC calculation.

World Handicap System™ Revisions Announced for 2024

The first update to the World Handicap System™ (WHS™) as part of an ongoing review of the Rules of Handicapping™ and Course Rating System™.

www.randa.org

The US didn't introduced the PCC change when CONGU did. They are catching up.

"National associations were given discretion, beginning in July 2022, to introduce this revision within their computation platforms, which will be complete by 1 April 2024."

 

[doublebogey7]

Correct, the PCC update was adopted in GB&I earlier this year.

4BBB & CR-Par are only changes for GB&I; they aren't global changes to WHS - they are simply options that GB&I hadn't originally chosen.

The R&A announced changes to PCC in August 22, what's not clear is whether these changes are in addition to those or whether it's simply an admin change to include it in the updated Rules of Handicapping document.

Correct the changes to CR-Par announced by EG simply brings us in line with the current Rules if Handicappng.