The Footie Thread

[Neilds]

What I find amazing in football is the fact the (usually) there are 23 people on the pitch at any one time - and only 1 of these ever makes a mistake

Also, people need to realise if the officials stuck to the rules and made the 'correct' decision every time then every match would be called off within 10 minutes as there wouldn't be enough players on the pitch.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Interesting this morning that the narrative from some areas is still all about Arsenal

Still under the radar for us then

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What I find amazing in football is the fact the (usually) there are 23 people on the pitch at any one time - and only 1 of these ever makes a mistake

Also, people need to realise if the officials stuck to the rules and made the 'correct' decision every time then every match would be called off within 10 minutes as there wouldn't be enough players on the pitch.

Why would that be

 

[clubchamp98]

Why would that be

There would be a lot of yellow cards for surrounding the ref.
What happened to the Captain only it’s all teams as well.
But some are worse than others.

 

[Swango1980]

Interesting this morning that the narrative from some areas is still all about Arsenal

Still under the radar for us then

I suppose you were delighted Arsenal didn't get a penalty after Konate's challenge? I appreciate you have strong feelings on penalties being given when a player's challenge follows through onto an opponent and "wipes them out"

 

[clubchamp98]

What I find amazing in football is the fact the (usually) there are 23 people on the pitch at any one time - and only 1 of these ever makes a mistake

Also, people need to realise if the officials stuck to the rules and made the 'correct' decision every time then every match would be called off within 10 minutes as there wouldn't be enough players on the pitch.

If a player makes a mistake he will be subbed and dropped .
He can be asked what happened there by the reporters ?
The manager can be asked as well.!

Ref makes a howler the manager can’t say anything without getting sent to the stands for a few weeks.
I think most of us accept refs can make mistakes , it’s VAR making the same mistake that’s the problem.
They get several goes from every angle and still make a mess of it

 

[Neilds]

Why would that be

Dissent mainly

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I suppose you were delighted Arsenal didn't get a penalty after Konate's challenge? I appreciate you have strong feelings on penalties being given when a player's challenge follows through onto an opponent and "wipes them out"

“Clear and obvious error” was the key last week just as it this week

If the penalty was given then just like last week it would be hard to see the clear and obvious error

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Dissent mainly

So that’s a yellow card

There is levels of “dissent” and human reaction , everyone reacts in teams sports to decisions

it’s certainly never to the level of potential 10 cards in the first ten mins to have the game called off

 

[Neilds]

So that’s a yellow card

There is levels of “dissent” and human reaction , everyone reacts in teams sports to decisions

it’s certainly never to the level of potential 10 cards in the first ten mins to have the game called off

Crikey! Do you have to take everything so literally? Just because I said 10 minutes don't mean that I expect every game to finish exactly on 10 minutes, it was a figure of speech.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Crikey! Do you have to take everything so literally? Just because I said 10 minutes don't mean that I expect every game to finish exactly on 10 minutes, it was a figure of speech.

Ok let’s say this way

No match would be called off as you suggested

There would be a lot of yellow cards for surrounding the ref.
What happened to the Captain only it’s all teams as well.
But some are worse than others.

“Surrounding the ref” is something that’s dealt with after if it’s done agressive etc

Players are allowed to approach the ref and talk to him - as with anything it will be the manner they do it

 

[clubchamp98]

Ok let’s say this way

No match would be called off as you suggested




“Surrounding the ref” is something that’s dealt with after if it’s done agressive etc

Players are allowed to approach the ref and talk to him - as with anything it will be the manner they do it

Yes I agree.
But we were told it was Captains only.
That’s a joke it’s been anything but.

 

[Fade and Die]

Yes I agree.
But we were told it was Captains only.
That’s a joke it’s been anything but.

Didn't look like only the Man U Captain yesterday after Var awarded West Ham a penalty. In fact the whole team mobbed the ref causing a much longer delay in taking the penalty kick. Referee never once brandished a card though.

 

[clubchamp98]

Didn't look like only the Man U Captain yesterday after Var awarded West Ham a penalty. In fact the whole team mobbed the ref causing a much longer delay in taking the penalty kick. Referee never once brandished a card though.

They have form.
Are probably the worst offenders over the years.
But all teams do it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yes I agree.
But we were told it was Captains only.
That’s a joke it’s been anything but.

Believe UEFA were looking at something in regards the referee would only explain to the captain etc

Dissent will always happen

The surrounding the referee aggressively seems to have reduced significantly

 

[clubchamp98]

Believe UEFA were looking at something in regards the referee would only explain to the captain etc

Dissent will always happen

The surrounding the referee aggressively seems to have reduced significantly

Tbh I havnt seen that.
It’s just as bad as it always was.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Tbh I havnt seen that.
It’s just as bad as it always was.

Is it really ?

There is a difference between players around the ref and chatting to him etc and what we used to see in the past with some teams having hourds screaming at him

That used to be a weekly occurrence even more as well from certain managers

We will always see players react in games now - it’s very high pressure and high stakes involved in nearly every game now

 

[Swango1980]

They have form.
Are probably the worst offenders over the years.
But all teams do it.

Every single team have form. I'm not sure that there are any stats to say Man Utd are the worst?

As a fan, if that VAR decision went against any side, I'd fully expect most of their players to have something to say about it, and I wouldn't hold it against them. Football is supposed to be a highly competitive sport, where you've the world's best footballers going against each other in battle. I absolutely agree that if a footballer is aggressive, says filthy things, etc to officials, book 'em or send them off. But, if they feel an injustice, I think they should at least be able to express that, and they won't all do so in the same tone as Stephen Fry.

The alternative, where referees just stop managing the game, and wave about yellow cards like confetti, just kills the game in my view. Players feel like they are walking on egg shells, I think it kills a lot of intensity. I feel like I'm a pretty reasonable, non aggressive human being. But, if VAR had recommended a penalty view after I made the same challenge as De Ligt, I'm almost certain I wouldn't walk away quietly to the corner. I'd be desperate to ask the officials what on earth is going on. I can do that without name calling or being aggressive as well.

To think we have to protect referees from players talking to them is, quite frankly, embarrassing to officials. They are refereeing the pinnacle of the game, and yet we are saying they can't even manage speaking to the players on the pitch. They cannot differentiate between a player being aggressive or abusive towards them, a player expressing an instant wave of frustration or a player simply wanting to discuss a decision at all. Or maybe referees don't wish to explain their decisions, because when they get them wrong, it can be difficult to justify it when they try and put it into words?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Every single team have form. I'm not sure that there are any stats to say Man Utd are the worst?

As a fan, if that VAR decision went against any side, I'd fully expect most of their players to have something to say about it, and I wouldn't hold it against them. Football is supposed to be a highly competitive sport, where you've the world's best footballers going against each other in battle. I absolutely agree that if a footballer is aggressive, says filthy things, etc to officials, book 'em or send them off. But, if they feel an injustice, I think they should at least be able to express that, and they won't all do so in the same tone as Stephen Fry.

The alternative, where referees just stop managing the game, and wave about yellow cards like confetti, just kills the game in my view. Players feel like they are walking on egg shells, I think it kills a lot of intensity. I feel like I'm a pretty reasonable, non aggressive human being. But, if VAR had recommended a penalty view after I made the same challenge as De Ligt, I'm almost certain I wouldn't walk away quietly to the corner. I'd be desperate to ask the officials what on earth is going on. I can do that without name calling or being aggressive as well.

To think we have to protect referees from players talking to them is, quite frankly, embarrassing to officials. They are refereeing the pinnacle of the game, and yet we are saying they can't even manage speaking to the players on the pitch. They cannot differentiate between a player being aggressive or abusive towards them, a player expressing an instant wave of frustration or a player simply wanting to discuss a decision at all. Or maybe referees don't wish to explain their decisions, because when they get them wrong, it can be difficult to justify it when they try and put it into words?

There is not a single referee that gets every decision right

It’s always worth noting that a significant amount of decisions are subjective and down to one person opinion

If a qualified referee believes that a tackle is a foul then that’s surely a subjective call and down to them

A player is no more qualified to tell a referee that his subjective opinion is wrong. If the referee can justify the call to the people who manage them ( not the players ) that’s all that’s needed

Whilst it should be ok for conversations to be held between players and officials there does need to be a cut off - they shouldn’t be required to explain to every player the decision he has made

 

[Swango1980]

There is not a single referee that gets every decision right

It’s always worth noting that a significant amount of decisions are subjective and down to one person opinion

If a qualified referee believes that a tackle is a foul then that’s surely a subjective call and down to them

A player is no more qualified to tell a referee that his subjective opinion is wrong. If the referee can justify the call to the people who manage them ( not the players ) that’s all that’s needed

Whilst it should be ok for conversations to be held between players and officials there does need to be a cut off - they shouldn’t be required to explain to every player the decision he has made

Yes, I think you've just said what I said, in a different way?

By definition, a subjective call means that some people see it one way, other people see it the other way. A referee isn't really qualified to be definitive on that decision, given another referee would have seen it the other way and made a counter argument. I'd fully expect any footballer to give their opinion. Obviously, it is how they express that it is important. The referee doesn't need to spend 5 minutes out of the game giving a PowerPoint presentation as to why they made the decision. A simple "I've seen you miss the ball and take out the opponent, free kick", end of. Maybe the player did win the ball, the player could well be biased in their own opinion anyway. But, there usually are not many key decisions in a game, maybe a handful on average. So, it is no surprise that players will have a view on it, and I've no issue with them discussing it as long as they aren't hurling abuse around