Supplementary Cards, for Handicaps...........Good or Bad.......??

[rosecott]

yes U probably can

But if somebody has played over and above their quota of required club comps to keep their handicap, I just DONT understand the need to add supplementary cards.....??
Should be used to retain or regain handicaps only surely.....??
DONT see a need otherwise :sbox:

The "quota" is the absolute minimum to retain active status. Any scores in addition to that have to be more evidence as to playing ability.

 

[moogie]

If I play from the competition tees then a supplementary is no different to a medal ... Except it hasn't cost me £5 to enter and if I play we'll I have no chance of winning any prizes.

As my handicap can go up as well as down with a supplementary then what is the difference in a medal ?

OK then, look another way, software changes this year, monitoring handicaps, flagging up warnings etc
With all this.......WHY does the guy that has already fulfilled his required number of comps feel the need to add supplementaries.....??
The computer will tell u what u SHOULD be playing off surely

 

[Val]

Scotland don't do ESRs.

Ok, but a fair example all the same.

 

[moogie]

The "quota" is the absolute minimum to retain active status. Any scores in addition to that have to be more evidence as to playing ability.

Point taken, and I respect your opinion due to your knowledge on this
But, what of the example I gave of someone I know......??...........15 qualifiers, (more than enough to judge ability) and nowhere near breaking par.............but just recently had a 2 shot cut ( 1.5 ) with a supplementary
If somebody has 15 qualifiers in, they DONT need supplementaries

 

[rosecott]

Point is...................You shot 83 in a casual game, so I presume yellow tees, not medal tees.........and NOT in a comp

As in any qualifying comp, Supplementaries are played on a measured course - white or yellow tees, each with their own SSS. We're not talking about your mate playing a casual game, we're talking about players playing with a card in hand with the outcome being:
No handicap change
Handicap reduction
0.1 increase

 

[rosecott]

Point taken, and I respect your opinion due to your knowledge on this
But, what of the example I gave of someone I know......??...........15 qualifiers, (more than enough to judge ability) and nowhere near breaking par.............but just recently had a 2 shot cut ( 1.5 ) with a supplementary
If somebody has 15 qualifiers in, they DONT need supplementaries

Who are you to judge who needs or wants Supplementaries?

 

[Val]

Who are you to judge who needs or wants Supplementaries?

It's just an opinion buddy, relax

:thup:

 

[rosecott]

It's just an opinion buddy, relax

:thup:

You've been on this forum long enough to know that, by 10 pm I'm relaxed as a f**t.

 

[Bomber69]

As the tite states
What are your views on the use of supplementary cards being entered, and their merits......??

My opinion.......
I think these should ONLY be used if somebody is unable to play in their quota ( normally 3 ) of club qualifiers, throughout the season
eg, through work circumstances they couldnt play, illness, injuries

Then I would accept that this individual should be allowed to get supplementaries in at end of season to retain handicap, or before start of New season so they can play in the New seasons Comps

I DONT believe they should be allowed through the season if an individual has already played in atleast 3 qualifiers

I feel those that do this and gain cuts, sometimes doing for vanity reasons, should prove themself in the more pressurised situation of when playing in a Comp/Medal

If they cant play under handicap in a medal, but can in a supplementary card situation, then any cut gained here, IMO, is artificial

An eg -- work colleague ( not at my club ) , plays 15 club comps, all OVER handicap, only 2 in buffer, then 2 supplementary cards in, BOTH gain Cuts..........He clearly CANT hack it ( no pun ) in a Comp


Your Views.....................???

Yep I agree with you 100%, I think they are there and can be abused to easy no matter which way you want your handicap to go. I also think that the current system used down south (ESR) is a load of tosh and is a way of getting players reduced a lot quicker than the old way and don't see the point in giving someone a lower handicap that they might not be able to play too.

 

[BTatHome]

I've never seen a reduction take someone to a level they can not play to ... Simply because the handicap reduction never matches the amount under their handicap they have just shot !

 

[rosecott]

I've never seen a reduction take someone to a level they can not play to ... Simply because the handicap reduction never matches the amount under their handicap they have just shot !

Well made point.

Cat 3 shoots 3 under CSS (or SSS if a Supplementary), handicap reduction less than one full shot.

 

[USER1999]

Isn't that what happens with comps?

Sure, and that's my point. Comps have CSS, supplementaries have SSS. Without a CSS, there is no way of judging how good a score is on the day.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Should not count for handicap, only re-activation of an inactive handicap. That's my view, and I'm not budging. Handicaps are for comps, off the proper course, full length, name in the book, etc. there is no CSS for a supplementary, what if the course is gagging for it? What if it's monsoon conditions?

Nonsense.

Murph, there's a simple answer to that - scrap CSS.

 

[bobmac]

Mr Smith hates medals. Gets very nervous and often messes up the back 9 if he's had a good front 9
I'm sure many of you have felt the strain and blown a possible good round by a collapse on the back 9/last few holes.
So to avoid the pain, Mr Smith only plays the bare minimum of medals to keep his h/cap active.

However, Mr. Smith does love roll ups which he plays twice a week.

My question is should his h/cap reflect his scoring ability in the 3 medals a year or the 50 roll ups he plays in where he hoovers up all the dosh due to the fact he cant put in supp cards?

I'm not saying he plays rubbish in the medals on purpose to keep his h/cap falsely high (although it is possible) I'm just saying a golfer's handicap should reflect his playing ability not only off the whites 3 times a year but also off the yellows the rest of the time.

So to those who question the supp cards......
Should Mr Smith's handicap be 22 which he plays to in comps when he scores badly?
Or should it be 12 which is what he plays to for the other 50 games of the year?

 

[BTatHome]

Sure, and that's my point. Comps have CSS, supplementaries have SSS. Without a CSS, there is no way of judging how good a score is on the day.

likelyhood is that bad weather would mean most people don't even bother asking for a supp score, and great scoring weather accounts for? One shot off CSS?

 

[StrangelyBrown]

Mr Smith hates medals. Gets very nervous and often messes up the back 9 if he's had a good front 9
I'm sure many of you have felt the strain and blown a possible good round by a collapse on the back 9/last few holes.
So to avoid the pain, Mr Smith only plays the bare minimum of medals to keep his h/cap active.

However, Mr. Smith does love roll ups which he plays twice a week.

My question is should his h/cap reflect his scoring ability in the 3 medals a year or the 50 roll ups he plays in where he hoovers up all the dosh due to the fact he cant put in supp cards?

I'm not saying he plays rubbish in the medals on purpose to keep his h/cap falsely high (although it is possible) I'm just saying a golfer's handicap should reflect his playing ability not only off the whites 3 times a year but also off the yellows the rest of the time.

So to those who question the supp cards......
Should Mr Smith's handicap be 22 which he plays to in comps when he scores badly?
Or should it be 12 which is what he plays to for the other 50 games of the year?

This... you'd all moan and call him a bandit if you played him in a roll up every week.

 

[Val]

Mr Smith hates medals. Gets very nervous and often messes up the back 9 if he's had a good front 9
I'm sure many of you have felt the strain and blown a possible good round by a collapse on the back 9/last few holes.
So to avoid the pain, Mr Smith only plays the bare minimum of medals to keep his h/cap active.

However, Mr. Smith does love roll ups which he plays twice a week.

My question is should his h/cap reflect his scoring ability in the 3 medals a year or the 50 roll ups he plays in where he hoovers up all the dosh due to the fact he cant put in supp cards?

I'm not saying he plays rubbish in the medals on purpose to keep his h/cap falsely high (although it is possible) I'm just saying a golfer's handicap should reflect his playing ability not only off the whites 3 times a year but also off the yellows the rest of the time.

So to those who question the supp cards......
Should Mr Smith's handicap be 22 which he plays to in comps when he scores badly?
Or should it be 12 which is what he plays to for the other 50 games of the year?

Who is to say he wouldnt do the same with a supp card in his hand?

Should ad dthough im all with HC being a mix of ability and form though in a similar mould to the US system which aint perfect by any means but by taking the best of theirs and ours then we should have it almost there.

 

[bobmac]

Who is to say he wouldnt do the same with a supp card in his hand?

Off the yellows.............on a Tuesday morning..........with his mates?
I would suggest he would be more relaxed

 

[Qwerty]

Here's a question.
Is it possible for player who hovers around 5.5 but much prefers his cat 1 status to a cat 2, to travel to a course( not his own), a course that he always scores well on, to roll up in the pro shop and declare that he is just playing as a visitor but he wants to fill out a supplementary card.
Then goes out, plays well( as he usually does at that course) and regains his cat 1 status.

Or can you only do supplementary cards at your own course or in open comps?

 

[moogie]

Who are you to judge who needs or wants Supplementaries?

Me....??
A golfer, on a forum, with an opinion, and a Gripe


The reason I used the example I gave......a friend of mine plays with my work colleague every week, as stated, 15 qualifiers, nowhere near a cut, rolls up 1 monday morning, with his uncle, supplementary, 2 shot cut........
My mate is suspicious of this new wonder card

Point Im really trying to make is, with 15 CRAP qualifiers already in, enough evidence of this guys playing ability, why is 1 supplementary card now taken as being his true new H/cap, monday morning, with uncle, yellow tees, empty course..........think you getting the picture

Golf is a game based on honesty and integrity, but this supp card system, allows even greater abuse of the system, for those wanting ''Vanity'' cuts........or the bandit looking for even more lifts

No system is flawless, I know, but this is Defo open to even greater abuse