HomerJSimpson
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Our Saturday roll up operates a cut system for those coming first and second
If you win, you are cut 2 shots for the next three times you play, 1 shot if you come second for the same period
The majority also put a general play card in each round. As an example I am off 7 as my playing handicap but having won a few weeks back the roll up group handicap was 5. On Saturday I put a gross score on the card for a general play card but for index 6 and 7 I scored a par on both but the marker put 2 points instead of 3 to reflect my cut and I simply entered the gross score into the my EG app.
I had an email from our handicap secretary which intimates that players should only have 1 club handicap. As far as we are concerned we do but their argument seems to be we have a record of the roll up handicap (hence a second handicap in their eyes and allegedly the EGU and R&A) and should the EGU conduct an audit it would cause an issue for the club
My questions for those in the know about WHS and EGU are
Do other clubs not run roll up groups along similar lines and has anyone contacted you in the same way saying you cannot hold "roll up" handicaps any longer
Would EGU audit a club at any point
Surely if general play cards are being submitted (or even if they aren't but players are using their normal playing index) what we then do to decide the winner and distribute the money is separate to the rules of golf and anything held in appendix A (https://www.randa.org/en/roh/appendices/appendix-a) is a private matter
If the club was to be audited and the file with the scores and record of who has current "cuts" in place was off the premises what is there to be concerned about
If we didn't put general plays in and for arguments sake gave everyone a putt on the 1st to make it a non-qualifying game anyway we would be free to do what we liked.
If we didn't tow the line I am assuming it would be me as organiser that faces sanctions for non-compliance
I am not sure why the club think we are operating 2 handicaps. It is surely no different to a society being run albeit within a golf club
I would love to hear your views and if there is any other way we can operate some sort of system to "cut" winners as it is an efficient way of making sure money is distributed rather than the same faces winning regularly. We had 27 people collect cash last year. It has been suggested to simply record scores off full playing handicaps and then simply deduct 2 points for winners for 3 weeks and 1 point for the same period for those in second place off their total. So if I scored 35 points off my normal 7 handicap I would be put down as 33. That way we aren't running a separate handicap which seems to be the biggest issue the club have and if the scores aren't held anywhere once the money has been handed out there is nothing to check and we are complying to the one handicap rule
Suffice to say we aren't the only roll up within the club who operate this system and all have been asked to stop with immediate effect which has caused a huge amount of consternation.
Thoughts?
If you win, you are cut 2 shots for the next three times you play, 1 shot if you come second for the same period
The majority also put a general play card in each round. As an example I am off 7 as my playing handicap but having won a few weeks back the roll up group handicap was 5. On Saturday I put a gross score on the card for a general play card but for index 6 and 7 I scored a par on both but the marker put 2 points instead of 3 to reflect my cut and I simply entered the gross score into the my EG app.
I had an email from our handicap secretary which intimates that players should only have 1 club handicap. As far as we are concerned we do but their argument seems to be we have a record of the roll up handicap (hence a second handicap in their eyes and allegedly the EGU and R&A) and should the EGU conduct an audit it would cause an issue for the club
My questions for those in the know about WHS and EGU are
Do other clubs not run roll up groups along similar lines and has anyone contacted you in the same way saying you cannot hold "roll up" handicaps any longer
Would EGU audit a club at any point
Surely if general play cards are being submitted (or even if they aren't but players are using their normal playing index) what we then do to decide the winner and distribute the money is separate to the rules of golf and anything held in appendix A (https://www.randa.org/en/roh/appendices/appendix-a) is a private matter
If the club was to be audited and the file with the scores and record of who has current "cuts" in place was off the premises what is there to be concerned about
If we didn't put general plays in and for arguments sake gave everyone a putt on the 1st to make it a non-qualifying game anyway we would be free to do what we liked.
If we didn't tow the line I am assuming it would be me as organiser that faces sanctions for non-compliance
I am not sure why the club think we are operating 2 handicaps. It is surely no different to a society being run albeit within a golf club
I would love to hear your views and if there is any other way we can operate some sort of system to "cut" winners as it is an efficient way of making sure money is distributed rather than the same faces winning regularly. We had 27 people collect cash last year. It has been suggested to simply record scores off full playing handicaps and then simply deduct 2 points for winners for 3 weeks and 1 point for the same period for those in second place off their total. So if I scored 35 points off my normal 7 handicap I would be put down as 33. That way we aren't running a separate handicap which seems to be the biggest issue the club have and if the scores aren't held anywhere once the money has been handed out there is nothing to check and we are complying to the one handicap rule
Suffice to say we aren't the only roll up within the club who operate this system and all have been asked to stop with immediate effect which has caused a huge amount of consternation.
Thoughts?
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