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Are you handing in physical cards ? I'm not sure I understand what you're doing tbh
Roll Up Group Handicaps
- Thread starter HomerJSimpson
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Arthur Wedge
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I don’t think you can put your Stableford points on the GP score on the app - just gross only
3 jabber
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I don't see a problem. Just mark your correct score on the card if submitting one then when you all get back to the clubhouse subtract any 'swindle' shots from your score as required.
Arthur Wedge
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That’s what we do
Swindle card is done using the paper card and using swindle HCs etc
If someone wants to put in a GP card then the app is used
No one within the club would have a clue whah the swindle HC is
General play scores are being put in playing off the club playing HI. Gross scores entered via my EG app and attested.
Stableford scores calculated based on roll up handicap and recorded on a separate sheet along with a history of players with outstanding cuts. Therefore GP cards in off full handicap and scores on roll up handicap. Cards are attested via the app and no cards submitted physically
Arthur Wedge
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So how does your HC secretary know you are using a second handicap for the swindle
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Cool then none of the clubs business really. Tell them it's an enabling system to spread the winnings each week
Clearly as she sent an email asking us to stop using any roll up handicap.So how does your HC secretary know you are using a second handicap for the swindle
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
How does she know you are using swindle HCs
You aren’t submitting any swindle cards , you haven’t sent the sheet to her
So how do they know
Because the roll up has been running for decades and always operated the same formatHow does she know you are using swindle HCs
You aren’t submitting any swindle cards , you haven’t sent the sheet to her
So how do they know
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I think your sec is getting a bit bogged down in whs rules.
Reply back saying okay, and then use a winking emoji 
. Job done.
Ironically, you are probably doing better than most roll ups because you actually put GP cards in. Crazy level of interference, pointless.
. Job done.Ironically, you are probably doing better than most roll ups because you actually put GP cards in. Crazy level of interference, pointless.
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Literally just tell how you run your own comp isnt their business.
Arthur Wedge
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Then reply back and say thank you and carry on doing what you are doing
Orikoru
Tour Winner
In fairness, it sounds like she's confused about a few things and needs it explaining to her that the roll-up handicaps are literally irrelevant to the club and club business, and not in breach of anything WHS-related. I would maybe go down that route in replying to her. Maybe there's an article online explaining it that you could send her.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
It was an EU initiated law, but like nearly all such laws was inacted into UK law before Brexit.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
This struck me as rather odd as well.... our various swindles run their own "book", but it's perfectly normal for people to enter GP rounds. They do this on their phones or using the hdid touch screen panel. Either way, they just enter gross scores against their hdid account (which is linked to their whs index). Something, something, wagatha christie is going on...
Anyway, regarding the general question, I would say that providing GP cards are entered correctly, EG can whistle. How could this possibly be legislated? I play in a regular 4 ball and we often fiddle with numbers to take account of various factors to ensure a good game. I don't consider it anyone else's business but our own.
To be fair our handicap secretary is right on it. They recently attended an EGU workshop and I am assuming much like post #5 they were given a stark warning hence why this has come about.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
We don't have any "club organised" roll-ups.
We do have a number of groups (between 8 and a couple of dozen players depending on the group and who is available to play) that play regularly together in whatever format they choose and, whilst handicaps are always based upon the official WHS handicap, players may, on occasion, be subject to an "adjustment" to their official handicap for doing well in a previous game. Such adjustments only last for a single round before it is wiped off (unless he/she plays well again of course!). Nobody ever gets to play off a handicap that is higher than their official handicap.
Other than the organiser keeping a list of what adjustments are in force at any time, no historical records are kept.....so there would be absolutely nothing to audit in the event of someone becoming nosey.
I do not see that it is any business of the authorities whatsoever, if a group of golfers want to organise a game within their own little group and apply whatever restrictions or adjustments they want to the Course Handicap of the players within for that particular day....whether that is a restriction to playing off 18, or temporary adjustments to a players handicap for the day. The players in question still only have one handicap.
We do have a number of groups (between 8 and a couple of dozen players depending on the group and who is available to play) that play regularly together in whatever format they choose and, whilst handicaps are always based upon the official WHS handicap, players may, on occasion, be subject to an "adjustment" to their official handicap for doing well in a previous game. Such adjustments only last for a single round before it is wiped off (unless he/she plays well again of course!). Nobody ever gets to play off a handicap that is higher than their official handicap.
Other than the organiser keeping a list of what adjustments are in force at any time, no historical records are kept.....so there would be absolutely nothing to audit in the event of someone becoming nosey.
I do not see that it is any business of the authorities whatsoever, if a group of golfers want to organise a game within their own little group and apply whatever restrictions or adjustments they want to the Course Handicap of the players within for that particular day....whether that is a restriction to playing off 18, or temporary adjustments to a players handicap for the day. The players in question still only have one handicap.
RichA
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Asking to be shown the specific rule of golf or handicapping that requires your group to disclose the details of it's unofficial competitions to the committee might be the most diplomatic route to take.
I've just checked the rules myself and all I can find is responsibilities that the committee has to you to ensure that the course is ready for what is essentially general play.
