Away day qualifying scores

[AussieKB]

In OZ we have a load of Clubs without a course, all ratified by OZ Golf,
e.g Qantas Club......they have an Airline though.

These clubs run their own comp at courses and submit all scores for handicap purposes,
these players because they have an OZ Handicap often enter Open Competitions, and win.

I for one am not in favor of this, but has been going on here for years.

 

[sawtooth]

I would check with Handicapmaster. I wonder if you configure the comp to allow visitors to compete and add the non-members' details to the visitors' list (names and EG number). I think I have done this in the past and it worked, but I would check with Handicapmaster.

Handicapmaster will also search the WHS database for you - go the visitors section and that is an option. I am assuming that you are the host club and want to enter scores from players of other clubs.

We are not hosting , it's the other way around.

 

[rulefan]

I now see there is an old thread I strated in 2021 - https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/competitions-on-away-courses.108719/
There doesn't seem to have been a resolution.

 

[LincolnShep]

If I was to ever open up a golf club one of the first things on my checklist of "must haves" would normally be a golf course

Isn't a golf society just a golf club without a course?

 

[doublebogey7]

Isn't a golf society just a golf club without a course?

As far as this discussion is concerned, only if it were affiliated to the national association.

 

[Swango1980]

Isn't a golf society just a golf club without a course?

I thought most golf societies where just a group of mates, that organised comps at different courses.

The ones I'm aware of are not affiliated, nor have Committees that have defined roles such as managing/maintaining official handicaps, etc. If I organised a 4-ball at another course with my mates, told them we'll have a little 18 hole competition, I probably wouldn't define myself as a golf club

That being said, I don't know of every Society. And maybe there is some super big society out there that is affiliated (don't know if that can happen)? My original comment did have a after it though, as I only ever intended it to be a very light hearted comment.

P.S. I would recommend to England Golf that you become affiliated as an individual, after your splendid work in creating your Open spreadsheet, organising entry and providing trophies last year. You put in more effort that many Committee members do for a golf club.

 

[rosecott]

We are not hosting , it's the other way around.

I see. Assuming Handicapmaster confirms that comps can be configured to have a mix of club members and visitors with WHS handicaps - and all scores going to WHS - then you would need to find out if other ISVs can do the same.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Isn't a golf society just a golf club without a course?

It is

But for the society to be able to enter scores etc they would need to be affiliated to the governing body and pay fees etc

In the same way as things like Mizuno pairs or even the county

 

[LincolnShep]

This has drifted off topic (and I certainly shoulder the blame for that).

I suppose it comes down to your definition of a "golf club". My society has a committee, a handicap secretary, a comps secretary, a captain, a vice captain, and membership fees. It's better organised than one club I was a member of, but it's not affiliated and it doesn't have its own course so it's called a society. Given that neither affiliation nor a home course are mandatory for a golf club then surely a "club" can have either, neither, or both. I'm not suggesting a rebranding, society is a good word, just that there is a lot of crossover in the Venn diagram.

 

[Swango1980]

This has drifted off topic (and I certainly shoulder the blame for that).

I suppose it comes down to your definition of a "golf club". My society has a committee, a handicap secretary, a comps secretary, a captain, a vice captain, and membership fees. It's better organised than one club I was a member of, but it's not affiliated and it doesn't have its own course so it's called a society. Given that neither affiliation nor a home course are mandatory for a golf club then surely a "club" can have either, neither, or both. I'm not suggesting a rebranding, society is a good word, just that there is a lot of crossover in the Venn diagram.

Going back to my original comment then.

"If I was to ever open up a golf club one of the first things on my checklist of "must haves" would normally be a golf course"

To define Club, I meant a club in a traditional sense, affiliated and the full works. I didn't mean starting a Society.

However, I didn't define the word "club" as it would have made my comment a little less punchy

 

[Colin L]

Apropos of Societies and nothing to do with handicapping, I was once the guest of a friend on his course when we found ourselves following an outing of the Gravediggers' Society. " Good grief" I wondered, "What sort of depth of divot holes are they going to make?" It turned out, however, that it was a society of golfers who frequented the Gravediggers' Bar in Edinburgh more used to sinking pints than holes in the ground .

 

[Colin L]

In OZ we have a load of Clubs without a course, all ratified by OZ Golf,
e.g Qantas Club......they have an Airline though.

These clubs run their own comp at courses and submit all scores for handicap purposes,
these players because they have an OZ Handicap often enter Open Competitions, and win.

I for one am not in favor of this, but has been going on here for years.

I can't see the problem in this. It sounds very normal and familiar to me.

 

[rulefan]

I have been advised by an ISV that the "Golf Union restriction" (ie for GB & I Unions) is that they will not allow "away" scores to be entered for handicapping purposes.
You need to process the competition as "not handicap counting".
This is a restriction written into the licence the particular Golf Union has provided to software suppliers and applies to affiliated Golf Clubs.
NOTE: Golf Union Approved Tournament Organisations are NOT restricted in this manner.
If your Golf Union elects to remove their restriction in the future, this capability can be activated.

 

[rulie]

I have been advised by an ISV that the "Golf Union restriction" (ie for GB & I Unions) is that they will not allow "away" scores to be entered for handicapping purposes.
You need to process the competition as "not handicap counting".
This is a restriction written into the licence the particular Golf Union has provided to software suppliers and applies to affiliated Golf Clubs.
NOTE: Golf Union Approved Tournament Organisations are NOT restricted in this manner.
If your Golf Union elects to remove their restriction in the future, this capability can be activated.

But can "away" scores be entered as GP scores for handicapping purposes?

 

[DickInShorts]

Why can’t you get the host club to treat it as an individual Open?
I know it will take some time for them to enter the CDH numbers into their system -but if you visit the same clubs every year it’s really only a major one-off job.
I’m sure the host club are grateful go for the fees you pay them to play let alone bar and catering takings?

 

[rulefan]

But can "away" scores be entered as GP scores for handicapping purposes?

They can. Either via the National Union's app (eg the EG app) or the away club's ISV (if they actually provide the facility).

 

[rulie]

So let me get this straight - you are permitted to post "away" general play scores for handicapping purposes, but not permitted to post "away" competition scores for handicapping purposes. If so, what makes them different?

 

[wjemather]

So let me get this straight - you are permitted to post "away" general play scores for handicapping purposes, but not permitted to post "away" competition scores for handicapping purposes. If so, what makes them different?

Posting of both General Play and competition scores is permitted from any course (indeed all acceptable comp scores must be posted). However, there are restrictions/limitations on how that can be done...

Due to national union restrictions, a club cannot post any away scores (either GP or competition) via their ISV software (Intelligent Golf, ClubV1, HandicapMaster, Golf Genius, etc.). However, they can post both directly on the WHS Platform (dotgolf), which is a rather more cumbersome (and slow) system.
Players can use their national union app to post General Play scores from any course in GB&I.

Also...
Away competition scores could be posted through the host club's ISV but it would require them to configure (and manage) an 'open' competition to facilitate it.
Away GP scores can be pre-registered and submitted through the host club's ISV if that functionality has been enabled for visitors.

 

[rulie]

Posting of both General Play and competition scores is permitted from any course (indeed all acceptable comp scores must be posted). However, there are restrictions/limitations on how that can be done...

Due to national union restrictions, a club cannot post any away scores (either GP or competition) via their ISV software (Intelligent Golf, ClubV1, HandicapMaster, Golf Genius, etc.). However, they can post both directly on the WHS Platform (dotgolf), which is a rather more cumbersome (and slow) system.
Players can use their national union app to post General Play scores from any course in GB&I.

Also...
Away competition scores could be posted through the host club's ISV but it would require them to configure (and manage) an 'open' competition to facilitate it.
Away GP scores can be pre-registered and submitted through the host club's ISV if that functionality has been enabled for visitors.

Gosh, that sounds like a complicated mish-mash. One would think it could be sorted such the player can post both his own general play and his own competition scores (as I can do in our system)? And, btw, what is the difference between general play and competition scores if both were played under all the golf Rules and handicapping Rules? If different, why?

 

[Swango1980]

Gosh, that sounds like a complicated mish-mash. One would think it could be sorted such the player can post both his own general play and his own competition scores (as I can do in our system)? And, btw, what is the difference between general play and competition scores if both were played under all the golf Rules and handicapping Rules? If different, why?

Not that complicated for more than 99% of people.

Regular golfers don't set up competitions at away courses (or even their own). Most Clubs don't set up competitions at away courses either.