4BBB Qualifying Scores

[doublebogey7]

That is not what I said.

I said that a club might let them have a competition score by letting them play in the competition with the stipulation that they pay no entry fee and can gain no prize.

In my mind that means they are not competing, i.e not playing in a competition, so it must still be a general play score. I am guessing that the club though process the score through the competition on the ISV, so it is made to look like they've entered a competition. Not sure that helps though in ensuring a competitors handicap is any more reliable than anyone who has put through the same number of normal GP scores.

 

[doublebogey7]

We allow anyone to play in the comps but you can only win a “prize” if you have 4 cards from qualifying comps within the last 12 months ( rolling )

So you are giving a false impression that players are competing when in reality they are not, not sure how that helps.

 

[doublebogey7]

So every single club that has TOC that mean that a player must have a certain amount of comp scores are “ill thought out”

Yep, but then there is not alot new there.

 

[D-S]

So back to the question, how can you have a competition score if you are not in the competition? and if you don’t have any competition scores in your record, you can’t enter competitions so how can you square this circle?

 

[Voyager EMH]

In my mind that means they are not competing, i.e not playing in a competition, so it must still be a general play score. I am guessing that the club though process the score through the competition on the ISV, so it is made to look like they've entered a competition. Not sure that helps though in ensuring a competitors handicap is any more reliable than anyone who has put through the same number of normal GP scores.

But it never will, if there is an assumption that GP scores are somehow "not as believable or reliable" as competition scores, when the stipulation of a certain number of competition scores in a player's record is a requirement for competition eligibility.

Allowing, or even encouraging, a player to submit competition scores in this way seems consistent with a club's stipulation that competition scores must be entered to gain that eligibility.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So you are giving a false impression that players are competing when in reality they are not, not sure how that helps.

What false impression

 

[wjemather]

So back to the question, how can you have a competition score if you are not in the competition? and if you don’t have any competition scores in your record, you can’t enter competitions so how can you square this circle?

As a club, either have sufficient competitions that everyone can enter, or ideally, don't have purely cosmetic ToCs that achieve little more than unreasonably excluding players.

As a player, join another club.

 

[Voyager EMH]

So a player's score is entered into the competition and thus becomes a "competition score" as far as the club is concerned. This has the full agreement of the player and the club.

What can anyone do about this? Who can command the club to not do this? Who can delete the player's score or change it to general play score?
What difference will this make to anyone? - not much at all, as far as I can see. It is an acceptable score whether it is GP or competition score.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So a player's score is entered into the competition and thus becomes a "competition score" as far as the club is concerned. This has the full agreement of the player and the club.

What can anyone do about this? Who can command the club to not do this? Who can delete the player's score or change it to general play score?
What difference will this make to anyone? - not much at all, as far as I can see. It is an acceptable score whether it is GP or competition score.

Exactly that

Not sure what the issue is

 

[wjemather]

So a player's score is entered into the competition and thus becomes a "competition score" as far as the club is concerned. This has the full agreement of the player and the club.

What can anyone do about this? Who can command the club to not do this? Who can delete the player's score or change it to general play score?
What difference will this make to anyone? - not much at all, as far as I can see. It is an acceptable score whether it is GP or competition score.

If you're going to count non-competition scores as competition scores, what is the purpose of having ToCs that demand competition scores?

 

[Voyager EMH]

If you're going to count non-competition scores as competition scores, what is the purpose of having ToCs that demand competition scores?

In order for a player to have the stipulated number of competition scores in his record to gain competition entry eligibility.
And to address any impression that a player's handicap is not believable if it contains too many GP scores.
Clubs do tend to try to encourage competition entry.
Comps being won by high handicappers with predominately GP score handicaps can tend to reduce competition entries.
It is up to the club to do what is thought of as a sensible requirement for its members as a whole.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If you're going to count non-competition scores as competition scores, what is the purpose of having ToCs that demand competition scores?

Why are they non comps scores when they are scored entered whilst playing in a competition

 

[Billysboots]

In order for a player to have the stipulated number of competition scores in his record to gain competition entry eligibility.
And to address any impression that a player's handicap is not believable if it contains too many GP scores.
Clubs do tend to try to encourage competition entry.
Comps being won by high handicappers with predominately GP score handicaps can tend to reduce competition entries.
It is up to the club to do what is thought of as a sensible requirement for its members as a whole.

This, with bells on.

 

[wjemather]

In order for a player to have the stipulated number of competition scores in his record to gain competition entry eligibility.
And to address any impression that a player's handicap is not believable if it contains too many GP scores.
Clubs do tend to try to encourage competition entry.
Comps being won by high handicappers with predominately GP score handicaps can tend to reduce competition entries.
It is up to the club to do what is thought of as a sensible requirement for its members as a whole.

I get that they are cosmetic and serve little practical purpose (I think I've been more than clear on that), but that wasn't the question.
Why have them at all when they are being circumvented by designating non-competition scores as competition scores?

Also, the breakdown of scores is only available to handicap secs, so how would they (i.e. ordinary members) know if winners had "predominately GP score handicaps"? You mention high handicappers, which surely isn't relevant.

Would it not be better for clubs to educate their members rather than accommodate myths and misconceptions?

 

[wjemather]

Why are they non comps scores when they are scored entered whilst playing in a competition

I assume your ToCs detail payment of an entry fee?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I assume your ToCs detail payment of an entry fee?

It does

As I suspect most comps do

 

[Billysboots]

Also, the breakdown of scores is only available to handicap secs, so how would they know if winners had "predominately GP score handicaps"?

It’s hardly rocket science. Simply have a look at the number of scores returned on EG on non-competition dates.

It takes a couple of minutes of someone is inclined to look.

 

[doublebogey7]

What false impression

Your club is telling all those with access to the WHS portal that players are competing in competetions when they are simply playing alongside others who are competing, but not competing themselves. A very clear false impression.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Your club is telling all those with access to the WHS portal that players are competing in competetions when they are simply playing alongside others who are competing, but not competing themselves. A very clear false impression.

Nope - they are playing in the competition

They enter the competition, accept the ToCs and the score they enter is a competition score

When the results are finalised their score is within all the other competition scores

 

[Voyager EMH]

Also, the breakdown of scores is only available to handicap secs, so how would they know if winners had "predominately GP score handicaps"? You mention high handicappers, which surely isn't relevant.

By asking the handicap secretary. (Or asking the player)
Word tends to get round.