4BBB Qualifying Scores

[doublebogey7]

But it’s helping them to do their job effectively, that’s my whole point!

How would you have a handicap committee monitor the handicaps of several hundred members if not via the submission of cards? I do not think a requirement to submit a handful of cards from qualifying competitions, if it aids a committee in ensuring that their competitions retain a degree of integrity, is an unreasonable requirement.

Our competition entries are in significant decline, primarily amongst low handicap golfers. In part they don’t trust the WHS, but they are also acutely aware of the number of events, especially 4BBB and team events, which are won by members who barely play in singles competitions.

I think we may have to agree to disagree and move on!

Perhaps I'm a little dim, but how do people who have not played to any qualifying comps, get to play in 6 competitions in order to be able to play in a competition. I am going round in circles in my head on this one.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Perhaps I'm a little dim, but how do people who have not played to any qualifying comps, get to play in 6 competitions in order to be able to play in a competition. I am going round in circles in my head on this one.

One way would be for the club to allow the player to play in the club competition, no entry fee, no prize. Gives them the experience of club comps and a score in the comp.

 

[Billysboots]

Perhaps I'm a little dim, but how do people who have not played to any qualifying comps, get to play in 6 competitions in order to be able to play in a competition. I am going round in circles in my head on this one.

They can play in them - they can’t win a monetary prize.

 

[wjemather]

One way would be for the club to allow the player to play in the club competition, no entry fee, no prize. Gives them the experience of club comps and a score in the comp.

They would be playing during the competition, not in the competition, and their score would be General Play.

 

[Voyager EMH]

They would be playing during the competition, not in the competition, and their score would be General Play.

That is not what I said.

I said that a club might let them have a competition score by letting them play in the competition with the stipulation that they pay no entry fee and can gain no prize.

 

[Swango1980]

They would be playing during the competition, not in the competition, and their score would be General Play.

Their score won't appear as a Competition Round on their record then, which would seem utterly pointless

 

[doublebogey7]

They can play in them - they can’t win a monetary prize.

So a GP score then, how is that any different in terms of offering some form of assurance that their handicap is a fair reflection of their ability.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Our club has a minimum competition rule. If you want to be eligible to win a monetary prize you must have played a minimum number of competitions during a rolling 12 months.

BUT, as this does not refer to qualifying competitions our competition secretary is required to keep manual records of all competitions played by every member, so that non qualifying events played during the winter months are included. It’s all very onerous, but it’s an issue largely created by a committee which opted for a blanket ban on qualifiers for four months of the year, regardless of course conditions and set up.

To answer the OP, as has already been mentioned your EG record only includes rounds which are suitable for handicap purposes. So qualifying competitions and GP cards submitted when allowed by the course you are playing. Scoring less than 42 points in a 4BBB, or scoring 42+ but not contributing on the requisite number of holes will mean your efforts are not suitable for handicap and as such will not be added to your EG record.

We have the same sort of thing but we designated the comps “board comps” on the system which highlights them as qualifying for “prizes”

Seems to work ok

 

[Swango1980]

So a GP score then, how is that any different in terms of offering some form of assurance that their handicap is a fair reflection of their ability.

Not a GP scores. They would appear on competition leaderboard, they would just be ignored when it comes to dishing out prizes

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Perhaps I'm a little dim, but how do people who have not played to any qualifying comps, get to play in 6 competitions in order to be able to play in a competition. I am going round in circles in my head on this one.

We allow anyone to play in the comps but you can only win a “prize” if you have 4 cards from qualifying comps within the last 12 months ( rolling )

 

[Billysboots]

So a GP score then, how is that any different in terms of offering some form of assurance that their handicap is a fair reflection of their ability.

I’m not repeating myself - I’ve detailed my reasoning on this thread.

 

[wjemather]

That is not what I said.

I said that a club might let them have a competition score by letting them play in the competition with the stipulation that they pay no entry fee and can gain no prize.

A club cannot just designate a GP score as a competition score.
No entry fee & no prizes = not playing in the competition.

 

[wjemather]

We allow anyone to play in the comps but you can only win a “prize” if you have 4 cards from qualifying comps within the last 12 months ( rolling )

That is charging players to get a competition score on their handicap record through a donation to the prize fund; it is not "allowing them to play in the competition".

 

[Voyager EMH]

A club cannot just designate a GP score as a competition score.
No entry fee & no prizes = not playing in the competition.

What would be done and by whom, if such a player's score was entered into the club competition, with the full agreement of H&C chairman and the player?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That is charging players to get a competition score on their handicap record through a donation to the prize fund; it is not "allowing them to play in the competition".

Charging ? Where did I say they were charged

And entrance money to a competition goes to more than just the prize fund of that competition

And yes they are playing in the competition

 

[wjemather]

What would be done and by whom, if such a player's score was entered into the club competition, with the full agreement of H&C chairman and the player?

Handicap secretaries do not have the authority to bend or break the Rules of Handicapping in order to accommodate ill-thought out club ToCs.

 

[rulie]

Somebody said something about "slitting hairs" earlier - this seems the same.
What about "playing with a card in their hand"? Seems that was an oft-used "definition" of competition score.
And who does the "policing" of these situations?

 

[Swango1980]

A club cannot just designate a GP score as a competition score.
No entry fee & no prizes = not playing in the competition.

Can you send us the official definition of "competition" please?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Handicap secretaries do not have the authority to bend or break the Rules of Handicapping in order to accommodate ill-thought out club ToCs.

So every single club that has TOC that mean that a player must have a certain amount of comp scores are “ill thought out”

 

[Voyager EMH]

Handicap secretaries do not have the authority to bend or break the Rules of Handicapping in order to accommodate ill-thought out club ToCs.

In your mind this is true.

The minds of many H&C chairmen may be different.

What would be done and by whom to countermand their action?