D-S
Well-known member
Are those all the trophy or board comps or just your selection?
Competitive vs Recreational handicaps
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Highfade
Newbie
According to the USGA, the odds of a 23 handicap having a 11.3 SD is 1650/1
Well played indeed.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Are course handicaps not now the number a player needs to shoot nett level par, now we have (CH-Par)?
And Playing Handicaps 95% of the above.
If so, then surely if he has quoted the PH, and the actual score over par, which is miles better than PH, then is that not solid evidence these players absolutely smashed their handicap in these comps?
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
They are the 4 lowest net winning scores in our board/trophy comps. They are not all of our board/trophy comps.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
I believe all 4 received exceptional scoring reduction for 7.0 or more below HI.
I hope this statement clarifies any possible misleading, because that was unintentional on my part.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
He was 6 shots clear of second place.According to the USGA, the odds of a 23 handicap having a 11.3 SD is 1650/1
Well played indeed.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
These were the top scores when the PH 17 won
Chap who won the lowest gross prize came 24th net.
125 entrants.
Chap who won the lowest gross prize came 24th net.
125 entrants.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Don’t like OP idea. Besides…
For a recreational knock a group of players can, at any time, apply their own ‘recreational adjustment’ to a players CH, up or down. That can be on a round by round basis or ongoing. There is no need to play any such recreational round outside of the rules of golf as the recreational (or indeed any) player handicap is irrelevant to what is submitted for WHS purposes, all being required for such purposes being the gross score for every hole. Certainly no need for any formal management by the club of recreational handicaps.
If a group wishes to play with their own tweaks to the rules and recreational handicaps then so be it…but obviously it can’t be submitted for WHS. But caution. When playing competitive WHS rounds with recreational golf mates, some players seem to forget that any recreational tweaks to rules they use are for recreational knocks only, and find there way into scored submitted for WHS
For a recreational knock a group of players can, at any time, apply their own ‘recreational adjustment’ to a players CH, up or down. That can be on a round by round basis or ongoing. There is no need to play any such recreational round outside of the rules of golf as the recreational (or indeed any) player handicap is irrelevant to what is submitted for WHS purposes, all being required for such purposes being the gross score for every hole. Certainly no need for any formal management by the club of recreational handicaps.
If a group wishes to play with their own tweaks to the rules and recreational handicaps then so be it…but obviously it can’t be submitted for WHS. But caution. When playing competitive WHS rounds with recreational golf mates, some players seem to forget that any recreational tweaks to rules they use are for recreational knocks only, and find there way into scored submitted for WHS
KenL
Tour Rookie
No, handicaps are complicated enough!
D-S
Well-known member
Actually, according to EG and the Rules of Handicapping, they must only have one Handicap and, as stated by them in a seminar last year, if a group persists, despite repeated attempts to persuade them otherwise, to maintain their own handicaps then, as a last resort, their WHS handicaps should be withdrawn.Don’t like OP idea. Besides…
For a recreational knock a group of players can, at any time, apply their own ‘recreational adjustment’ to a players CH, up or down. That can be on a round by round basis or ongoing. There is no need to play any such recreational round outside of the rules of golf as the recreational (or indeed any) player handicap is irrelevant to what is submitted for WHS purposes, all being required for such purposes being the gross score for every hole. Certainly no need for any formal management by the club of recreational handicaps.
If a group wishes to play with their own tweaks to the rules and recreational handicaps then so be it…but obviously it can’t be submitted for WHS. But caution. When playing competitive WHS rounds with recreational golf mates, some players seem to forget that any recreational tweaks to rules they use are for recreational knocks only, and find there way into scored submitted for WHS
Draconian and unenforceable I know, but this was double downed upon when questioned.
Of course, it has never, to my knowledge, been enforced.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I know…but the ‘recreational’ handicap I talk of is not a formal handicap of any sort whatsoever and is certainly not used for any formal competitive golf; it’s just a handicap system that a bunch of mates use when playing for fun.
The rollup I play in on Saturdays runs a club handicap adjustment throughout a summer then a winter season; rollup rounds are not submitted for WHS purposes. The adjustment is based on your current WHS playing handicap
If any week I win any ££s I have a 0.1 adjustment for every £ I have won applied to my current PH. So I win £3 today my HI for next week is 5.7 as my current PH is 6 - and next week I play off whatever PH the CH for 5.7 gives, and so on. If between now and next Saturday I put cards in that get my WHS CH down to, say, 4 - with PH also 4, the 0.3 adjustment for my £3 is applied to my PH of 4. And so on.
KenL
Tour Rookie
A lot of high handicappers at your club?
D-S
Well-known member
The 'recreational handicap' is exactly that EG wish to outlaw and punish as per my earlier post.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
How can a club stop a swindle doing their own system
Even I can remember the discussion you had ad nauseum about this when it was announced. They suspend the handicaps of those who don't comply.
As @D-S stated however, this hasn't happened to anyone so don't worry about it.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
There isn’t a single club that would be able to force what players do in their social free time when playing with their mates - as long as people play to the rules when playing in club comps and putting in cards etc that all that should matter
Steven Rules
Well-known member
Let/s put that into a bit of perspective.According to the USGA, the odds of a 23 handicap having a 11.3 SD is 1650/1
Well played indeed.
If there are (say) 25 players in that competition with around that handicap, then suddenly the odds become around 65/1 that one of these 23-ish handicappers will do it on any given hypothetical competition day. And if the 25 23-ish handicappers play in an average of a dozen competitions across the season then it is around 6/1 or 5/1 that 'someone' in that handicap range in that club will return a score like that in any given season.
And if that profile is repeated across the 50 or so clubs represented by regular contributors on this forum, then the chances are that one of them will have anecdote like this to tell about a score at their club for someone in that handicap range. Then do likewise for other handicap ranges. Then multiply that across the national golfing population. Scores like that happen. On a population-wide basis it is not that remarkakle.
It's a bit like the lotto. The probability of me winning the big prize is vanishingly small, but yet someone in the population wins it every week (or almost), and good on them. That doesn't mean the lotto winner is a cheat. It just means the planets aligned for them on that day.
Occasionally the planets align for a given individual golfer, but mostly they don't align. But across the population, there will be dozens of players having one of these 'once in a lifetime' scores every week.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm confused. The odds Highfade quoted were simply for a specific handicapper getting a specific SD
Why do competitions or no. of competitors have an impact on that?
wjemather
Well-known member
As hinted at earlier, this player wasn't a 23 handicapper.According to the USGA, the odds of a 23 handicap having a 11.3 SD is 1650/1
Well played indeed.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
He probably considers himself to be a 24 handicapper who "loses a shot" in club comps.
