Supplementary Cards, for Handicaps...........Good or Bad.......??

[moogie]

As the tite states
What are your views on the use of supplementary cards being entered, and their merits......??

My opinion.......
I think these should ONLY be used if somebody is unable to play in their quota ( normally 3 ) of club qualifiers, throughout the season
eg, through work circumstances they couldnt play, illness, injuries

Then I would accept that this individual should be allowed to get supplementaries in at end of season to retain handicap, or before start of New season so they can play in the New seasons Comps

I DONT believe they should be allowed through the season if an individual has already played in atleast 3 qualifiers

I feel those that do this and gain cuts, sometimes doing for vanity reasons, should prove themself in the more pressurised situation of when playing in a Comp/Medal

If they cant play under handicap in a medal, but can in a supplementary card situation, then any cut gained here, IMO, is artificial

An eg -- work colleague ( not at my club ) , plays 15 club comps, all OVER handicap, only 2 in buffer, then 2 supplementary cards in, BOTH gain Cuts..........He clearly CANT hack it ( no pun ) in a Comp


Your Views.....................???

 

[Imurg]

The value of a Supementary is the same as that of a Medal card.
A cut if you play well, 0.1 back if you don't.
If you think playing a Medal, where the worst that can happen is 0.1 back, is more stressful than a Supplementary, where the worst that can happen is 0.1 back then you need to get a Mind Guru.....
I've used supplementaries, mainly as we only have about 16 comps a year for midweek members and many of those I can't play in due to other commitments.
What is best...?
Player A, who plays 3 comps a year, buffers each time but scores 40 points most weeks in the bounce games because he plays to 10 rather than 18

Or

Player B, who realises his handicap is too high and tries to do something about it but is unabke to play many qualifiers..

If handicaps are cut too low by supplementaries, who is suffering?
And why does it matter?

 

[BTatHome]

Seem to remember a discussion not long ago .....

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?45324-Supplementary-Cards&highlight=Supplementary

 

[rosecott]

Provided the club has a robust system for Supplementaries - ensuring that they are logged in advance and that all cards are returned for rounds logged - then, as Imurg says, they are a reflection of playing ability. My view has always been that the more qualifying scores you submit - comps or Supplementaries - the more accurate your handicap will be.

 

[Evesdad]

Provided the club has a robust system for Supplementaries - ensuring that they are logged in advance and that all cards are returned for rounds logged - then, as Imurg says, they are a reflection of playing ability. My view has always been that the more qualifying scores you submit - comps or Supplementaries - the more accurate your handicap will be.

This just about sums it up for me, I'm in favour of them as sometimes as we've all said before a rapidilly improving golfers can sometimes take a while for the system to keep up with them. Also sometimes the comps just don't come round quick enough.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

If someone wants to reduce their h'cap with supplementaries then I don't see a problem. If someone is trying to reduce their h'cap then the pressure will be on them whether it's a comp or not surely? I know I treat every round the same, I put the same pressure on myself to score well whenever I go out. If I shoot 75 in the saturday roll up then that to me is every bit as good as doing it in a medal and proves to me that I am capable of doing it.

 

[wookie]

We dont have qualifiers over winter - do you reckon I'll be able to put in supplemtaries?

 

[pbrown7582]

We dont have qualifiers over winter - do you reckon I'll be able to put in supplemtaries?

Surely that will depend on course conditions should you be on preferred lies or winter tees/greens then no, qualifying cards comps or supplementary are not acceptable.

Generally in regard to the OP I see no reason for supplementary cards to be any different to a medal round if done properly as already mentioned, declared prior to the round and all recorded.

 

[rosecott]

Surely that will depend on course conditions should you be on preferred lies or winter tees/greens then no, qualifying cards comps or supplementary are not acceptable.

Provided the approved "preferred lies" rule is in force, there is no reason why qualifiers - including Supplementaries - cannot be played. There are other stipulations such as a maximum reduction in overall length and the number of temporary greens but many clubs do not seem to want to make the effort to continue playing qualifiers.

 

[USER1999]

Should not count for handicap, only re-activation of an inactive handicap. That's my view, and I'm not budging. Handicaps are for comps, off the proper course, full length, name in the book, etc. there is no CSS for a supplementary, what if the course is gagging for it? What if it's monsoon conditions?

Nonsense.

 

[Val]

Stated before, they should be used to maintain or regain an active handicap and not for those seeking a fast cut, that's what ESR is for

 

[moogie]

Should not count for handicap, only re-activation of an inactive handicap. That's my view, and I'm not budging. Handicaps are for comps, off the proper course, full length, name in the book, etc. there is no CSS for a supplementary, what if the course is gagging for it? What if it's monsoon conditions?

Nonsense.

This is My EXACT point

 

[SaintHacker]

So what about someone in my situation?
Due to running a kids football team I can't play in weekend comps from October to March at the earliest. At the moment my competiton handicap is 27, however Ive been playing midweek regularly so my scores have come down over the weeks, and last week I managed an 83. Assuming I keep improving over the winter chances are I will smash everyone out of sight when I play my first comp next year, somewhat unfairly, and then get all the bandit comments. Is it not right for the sake of other players that people can keep an accurate handicap when they can't play regualr comps?

 

[Val]

So what about someone in my situation?
Due to running a kids football team I can't play in weekend comps from October to March at the earliest. At the moment my competiton handicap is 27, however Ive been playing midweek regularly so my scores have come down over the weeks, and last week I managed an 83. Assuming I keep improving over the winter chances are I will smash everyone out of sight when I play my first comp next year, somewhat unfairly, and then get all the bandit comments. Is it not right for the sake of other players that people can keep an accurate handicap when they can't play regualr comps?

Would be no different to many in terms of not being able to submit scores due to course conditions. If I for example worked my socks off with lessons and practice to get better and stuck 3 great scores early in the season then my hc sec should apply an ESR, in fact most sec's would.

 

[moogie]

So what about someone in my situation?
Due to running a kids football team I can't play in weekend comps from October to March at the earliest. At the moment my competiton handicap is 27, however Ive been playing midweek regularly so my scores have come down over the weeks, and last week I managed an 83. Assuming I keep improving over the winter chances are I will smash everyone out of sight when I play my first comp next year, somewhat unfairly, and then get all the bandit comments. Is it not right for the sake of other players that people can keep an accurate handicap when they can't play regualr comps?

Point is...................You shot 83 in a casual game, so I presume yellow tees, not medal tees.........and NOT in a comp

Good luck doing it in a medal

Ive a mate at my club, shot 73 gross in summer, casual midweek game, off 15 H/cap..........NEVER been near a cut all year, big difference in the club comps

I just feel everybody be judged on comp results ONLY and supplementary cards used for those that need to fulfill quota of comps or get invalid H/cap reactivated

How can somebody play 10, 15, 20, qualifiers per year with NO cuts...........but manage sub par rounds in Supplementaries
Surely the results in qualifiers are THE true reflection of a players ability, in competition conditions......??

 

[Andy808]

I can mess it up just as well with a supplementery in my hand as I can with a qualifyer card in my hand. Other than a few quid and bragging rights there is no difference in them in my mind.

 

[moogie]

I can mess it up just as well with a supplementery in my hand as I can with a qualifyer card in my hand. Other than a few quid and bragging rights there is no difference in them in my mind.

yes U probably can

But if somebody has played over and above their quota of required club comps to keep their handicap, I just DONT understand the need to add supplementary cards.....??
Should be used to retain or regain handicaps only surely.....??
DONT see a need otherwise :sbox:

 

[BTatHome]

If I play from the competition tees then a supplementary is no different to a medal ... Except it hasn't cost me £5 to enter and if I play we'll I have no chance of winning any prizes.

As my handicap can go up as well as down with a supplementary then what is the difference in a medal ?

 

[rosecott]

what if the course is gagging for it? What if it's monsoon conditions?

Isn't that what happens with comps?

 

[rosecott]

Would be no different to many in terms of not being able to submit scores due to course conditions. If I for example worked my socks off with lessons and practice to get better and stuck 3 great scores early in the season then my hc sec should apply an ESR, in fact most sec's would.

Scotland don't do ESRs.