Masters 2019

[Wolf]

It's fine, but your opinions are based on anecdotal crap, rather than what actually happens.

You can have an opinion on the course, on the validity as a major etc. That's fine. Wrong, but fine. But you cant have a an opinion that goes against actual facts. And I called you out on a comment about the course which is factually wrong.

Ahh so we are down to insults now because you don't like a differing opinion.

You didn't call me out at all, you made a comment. Calling me out and making a comment are vastly different but being a keyboard warrior as you are it easy to hide behind insults isn't it.

As for your facts, if length isn't an advantage and it may well be a 2nd shot course indeed but easier to play 2nd shots with a wedge than say a 4 iron.

Insult me all you want, or state I'm wrong but don't tell me I can't base my opinion on something when I consider a test golf to be more than just a 2nd shot course. Also don't tell me my opinion is wrong just because it goes against the sheep like way of agreeing with everyone else.

I've already stated I'll watch as it is classed as a major and I have a preference on who wins to make it more interesting, but let's try to keep it civil as your petty insults don't help a thread that so far has been civil and debated fairly

 

[Jacko_G]

87 invited competitors ...... how can that be a Major ?

Still be glued to the coverage to see who comes out on top, but, 87 ......... come on let's have a full field for a change.

It's a major because it is a major, simple as that.

Best major there is and it's my key to start playing competitive golf again, the unofficial season opener.

 

[Jacko_G]

Right - so it's an invitational I get that, but who's really missing out that would be of value to the field? To qualify you need to fulfil one of the following criteria:



The Masters committee then invite a series of International players that fall outside of this criteria. If you don't make it through one of those routes - you're not a huge loss to a Major championship for me. Am I missing something? Who's missing out that should be there?

I think my invite got lost in the post!




Again! 😪

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ahh so we are down to insults now because you don't like a differing opinion.

You didn't call me out at all, you made a comment. Calling me out and making a comment are vastly different but being a keyboard warrior as you are it easy to hide behind insults isn't it.

As for your facts, if length isn't an advantage and it may well be a 2nd shot course indeed but easier to play 2nd shots with a wedge than say a 4 iron.

Insult me all you want, or state I'm wrong but don't tell me I can't base my opinion on something when I consider a test golf to be more than just a 2nd shot course. Also don't tell me my opinion is wrong just because it goes against the sheep like way of agreeing with everyone else.

I've already stated I'll watch as it is classed as a major and I have a preference on who wins to make it more interesting, but let's try to keep it civil as your petty insults don't help a thread that so far has been civil and debated fairly

Umm I don’t think he has actually insulted you though ?

I believe you made a statement about it not being about strategy and just about length of the tee and putting when he is just staying that factually incorrect

It’s not just a bombers course at all and because of the way the hazards are placed and the green complex plus the speed - strategy is key to doing well

 

[Wolf]

Umm I don’t think he has actually insulted you though ?

I believe you made a statement about it not being about strategy and just about length of the tee and putting when he is just staying that factually incorrect

It’s not just a bombers course at all and because of the way the hazards are placed and the green complex plus the speed - strategy is key to doing well

Stating an opinion is based on anecdotal crap is basically saying someone talking so that is insulting.

And I never said it takes no strategy I said it takes less than other majors and as long as you can hit it long and putt well you can win which is a lot truer if this event than the other 4 majors generally speaking. In years gone by strategy would have been key but not any longer as most hazards are easily cleared by most longer hitters And much wider fairways than other majors as well.

As for factually correct he may even be right but again it's my opinion that this is the least challenging of the majors and I won't be swayed on that.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Fleetwood
Molinari
Kisner
Kuchar


There are 4 Majors, no opinion or acknowledgement on here of those 4 Majors will change their status.
Watch it, don’t watch it, it’s up to you.

 

[TheDiablo]

Ahh so we are down to insults now because you don't like a differing opinion.

You didn't call me out at all, you made a comment. Calling me out and making a comment are vastly different but being a keyboard warrior as you are it easy to hide behind insults isn't it.

As for your facts, if length isn't an advantage and it may well be a 2nd shot course indeed but easier to play 2nd shots with a wedge than say a 4 iron.

Insult me all you want, or state I'm wrong but don't tell me I can't base my opinion on something when I consider a test golf to be more than just a 2nd shot course. Also don't tell me my opinion is wrong just because it goes against the sheep like way of agreeing with everyone else.

I've already stated I'll watch as it is classed as a major and I have a preference on who wins to make it more interesting, but let's try to keep it civil as your petty insults don't help a thread that so far has been civil and debated fairly

That length argument is moot as that statement applies to literally every course. Do you not like any course?

Keyboard warrior? I've been to my share of meets and played with people I agree with and disagree with and every round has a been a pleasure. I'm not hiding behind anything

Not sure where I've insulted you, let alone be petty. If you're offended by anything I've said then
A) I'm sorry
B) you need thicker skin. Much thicker skin.

 

[Wolf]

That length argument is moot as that statement applies to literally every course. Do you not like any course?

Keyboard warrior? I've been to my share of meets and played with people I agree with and disagree with and every round has a been a pleasure. I'm not hiding behind anything

Not sure where I've insulted you, let alone be petty. If you're offended by anything I've said then
A) I'm sorry
B) you need thicker skin. Much thicker skin.

Of course I like many courses doesn't mean I have to like this one.

Don't need a thicker skin at all, perhaps you just need to accept people won't and don't have to always agree with you.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Stating an opinion is based on anecdotal crap is basically saying someone talking *** so that is insulting.

And I never said it takes no strategy I said it takes less than other majors and as long as you can hit it long and putt well you can win which is a lot truer if this event than the other 4 majors generally speaking. In years gone by strategy would have been key but not any longer as most hazards are easily cleared by most longer hitters And much wider fairways than other majors as well.

As for factually correct he may even be right but again it's my opinion that this is the least challenging of the majors and I won't be swayed on that.

Have you ever watched the US PGA ? There is a reason why that’s won by more Unknown’s or less known players as well as one off etc. The US PGA is the one that always sets up the “easiest” or less challenging than others - with the Opens the hardest.

 

[Wolf]

Have you ever watched the US PGA ? There is a reason why that’s won by more Unknown’s or less known players as well as one off etc. The US PGA is the one that always sets up the “easiest” or less challenging than others - with the Opens the hardest.

Yes Phil I have watched it..

Funny isn't it someone has an opinion and we have to start questioning what do they really know or have seen.

Yes the PGA throws up some unknowns but that's no real surprise considering the field has more variety of players, the masters has a much smaller pool to choose a winner from, that can be whittled down further when you take out the Ams, the honorary spots etc so likely to be a winner you know more about and the chance of it being an unknown winner is impossible due to the qualifying criteria you alone have mentioned today..

 

[TheDiablo]

Of course I like many courses doesn't mean I have to like this one.

Don't need a thicker skin at all, perhaps you just need to accept people won't and don't have to always agree with you.

There's nothing to disagree with though. You were wrong, I told you so. Instead of just hold your hands up like most people you've taken it as a personal attack, which at no point it was.

 

[Wolf]

There's nothing to disagree with though. You were wrong, I told you so. Instead of just hold your hands up like most people you've taken it as a personal attack, which at no point it was.

As I pointed out your comment of anecdotal crap is basically saying talking ***. So that's an insult!

Nothing hold my hands up to i made my point as to why I think the way I do. You don't agree with that then fine. Don't tell me I'm wrong though to think the way I do.

Factually yes you are correct it's a 2nd shot course, but again I stand by my points I don't believe that alone is enough of a test for a major. So that comes back to why factually right or not that I disagree and my reason as to why. If you can't accept that then again fine with me.

If you didn't mean it the way it came across then perhaps consider how you word things and I have no personal issue with you. But I don't just back down and hideaway from comments when someone tells me I'm wrong but they haven't bothered to seek clarity as to my thought process. Clearly you don't which again isn't a problem with me, but don't tell someone how they should think. The point of debate and opinion is we don't have to agree nor be right just try to understand the other side.

 

[Parsaregood]

As I pointed out your comment of anecdotal crap is basically saying talking ***. So that's an insult!

Nothing hold my hands up to i made my point as to why I think the way I do. You don't agree with that then fine. Don't tell me I'm wrong though to think the way I do.

Factually yes you are correct it's a 2nd shot course, but again I stand by my points I don't believe that alone is enough of a test for a major. So that comes back to why factually right or not that I disagree and my reason as to why. If you can't accept that then again fine with me.

If you didn't mean it the way it came across then perhaps consider how you word things and I have no personal issue with you. But I don't just back down and hideaway from comments when someone tells me I'm wrong but they haven't bothered to seek clarity as to my thought process. Clearly you don't which again isn't a problem with me, but don't tell someone how they should think. The point of debate and opinion is we don't have to agree nor be right just try to understand the other side.

Your sounding like a fool on your view of the course and you have basically tried to backtrack on your initial posts about how it is a course which requires minimal strategy and will favour any bomber who can putt. It is probably the hardest course they see all year to play pitches and chips from, for instance the grass is mown so that they are always going against the grain which is one of many things which makes precision key around here. Just because you dont like the event, or you may not think the course is that great, that does not mean it is not a great course. It is a great course and as true a test of skill as any, it's a course which requires shots to be shaped off the tee and into greens. It's also a course that has a setup to provide tremendous excitement on the back 9 and year in year out it lives up to its reputation

 

[Wolf]

Your sounding like a fool on your view of the course and you have basically tried to backtrack on your initial posts about how it is a course which requires minimal strategy and will favour any bomber who can putt. It is probably the hardest course they see all year to play pitches and chips from, for instance the grass is mown so that they are always going against the grain which is one of many things which makes precision key around here. Just because you dont like the event, or you may not think the course is that great, that does not mean it is not a great course. It is a great course and as true a test of skill as any, it's a course which requires shots to be shaped off the tee and into greens. It's also a course that has a setup to o90provide tremendous excitement on the back 9 and year in year out it lives up to its reputation

Oh dear 🙄
Haven't back tracked at all. I said I stand by my points and I do whether you or anyone thinks I sound like a fool doesn't bother me.
I also never said it hasn't provided excitement because it has provided its share of drama.
I will stand by everything I've said throughout this thread about the course, the strategies and it favouring a long hitter that can putt or has a good putting week. If anything far from back tracking I gave further clarity to my opinion. But welcome to the band wagon of not accepting an alternative opinion one which I will stand by whether others agree or not doesn't matter.

On that final point. All I'll say is anything further I add to this thread will be about the golf during the tournament itself because that's what this thread was made for but between a few of us myself included we've detracted from that long enough and there really is nothing left to say about it

 

[Italian outcast]

I think my invite got lost in the post!




Again! 😪

You should have played in one of the qualifiers as a back-up!
There was one lad last week who played in a one-day qualifier (and finished top) to get into the 72-hole stroke play qualifier and who then won that one and is now 'automatically invited' to play in the Masters

 

[Parsaregood]

Oh dear 🙄
Haven't back tracked at all. I said I stand by my points and I do whether you or anyone thinks I sound like a fool doesn't bother me.
I also never said it hasn't provided excitement because it has provided its share of drama.
I will stand by everything I've said throughout this thread about the course, the strategies and it favouring a long hitter that can putt or has a good putting week. If anything far from back tracking I gave further clarity to my opinion. But welcome to the band wagon of not accepting an alternative opinion one which I will stand by whether others agree or not doesn't matter.

On that final point. All I'll say is anything further I add to this thread will be about the golf during the tournament itself because that's what this thread was made for but between a few of us myself included we've detracted from that long enough and there really is nothing left to say about it

Anybody who has a good putting week will likely be in contention, it's just a shortsighted view in all honesty

 

[Slab]

You know what really gets the blood flowing for the Majors; its all the extras and nitty-gritty we don't get to see and hear on a regular tour event. Its like Cup Final day used to be, you know coverage starting at breakfast time at the team hotels right the way through to the dressing room sing-song by the winners. its like nothing else matters while its on (& with the Masters we pretty much all have a Team to support in the final)

It takes the mundane and makes it somehow special

Last night, 4 days before it even starts, and I'm watching players live on the practice range. Players chatting to media. Its funny how many (unprompted) still mention Tiger during their own interviews. I'm sitting there glued to the screen watching Patrick Reed clean his wedge. Its freakin fascinating cos he cleans it the same way I do!

This morning I google golf news as I do most days but there so much more than most weeks and I'm sitting in the office smiling reading this article from last years Masters

There's things I detest about the Masters like the caddy overalls (its not so much that they have to wear them, its that despite every freakin detail of how the Masters committee present this entire tournament is so manicured and so perfect but the overalls seen on screen in nearly every shot... don't fit!) Which tells me that they deliberately don't fit! and I don't understand why?

I hate the pine needles under so many of the wooded areas given them virtually no chance to lose the ball from poor errant tee shots and an option for a very easy recovery shot to get it back in play (bomb away guys it'll cost you half a shot, at worst) The test off the tee should be more of a challenge. I hate the 'patrons' thing and many other traditions that aren't really traditions, just a control over the media

But my disdain for these things is all part of the allure too, just as much as all the bits I do like, which is why with the time diff I'll lose sleep this weekend watching as much coverage as I can... roll on Thursday

 

[Beezerk]

I see the Thread Anchors have taken over again 🤔😂
It’s a game of golf on the telly fer Christ’s sake, embrace it 😘

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I really don't get this "it's not the strongest field" stuff. It has more of the top players than WGC events, has the current US amateur champion and invites players from the Asian tours. Have a look at the qualifying basis and who is there. It is an inclusive event and I think stronger for their invitation process to ensure the best are there. Not many in the world turn it down do they? I think having the best players playing a course they learn on each year makes it a unique and fascinating viewing spectacle and can't wait for it to start.

My club is running it's own "par 3 Masters" and playing into the back nine greens from different tee boxes and positions to make a composite par 3 course before we come back in for some grub and watch the par 3 event on the big screen. I can't think of a better prelude before the main event.

 

[Captainron]

Even the range at augusta is out of this world. So many shot options and realistic green complexes/bunkers. Level of detail and care taken for the course is the highest of anywhere in the world