Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I agree, the penalty was justified. Precidence was set by Verstappen doing the same thing to Raikkonen at Japan last year, so if the rule was correct for Ferrari last year it was correct for Ferrari this.
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bobmac
Major Champion
How can the stewards punish Vettel for accidentally running Hamilton off the track in Canada but allow Verstappen to win when he deliberately ran Leclerc off the track? And why did it take 3 hours to make the decision
Farce.
Farce.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Does seem excessive that a sport that measures itself on differences of hundredths of a second and 'in-race' penalties could not call a result for three hours
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I thought Leclerc had already lost the corner so it was down to him to back out after that. Leclerc lost yesterday because of his teams actions, not Verstappens actions. If Ferrari were to give their drivers equal standing, Leclerc would have won and would be a greater threat. All the time Ferrari and cuddling Vettel like they do, Leclerc will be left and Ferrari won’t challenge.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The decision problem came down to which car was ahead and therefore which driver should have yielded position.
The stewards have many more camera angles and sensors at their disposal than us viewers.
I suppose it is a bit like VAR in football , they want to get it right.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
For me an indication how much the sport is missing Charlie Whiting...
Believe, also, the drivers if they actually mean 'let us get on with the racing'... They need to stop whinging like stuck pigs on their radios to draw attention to every incident...
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Setting aside the post race farce... I thought it was a great afternoon of racing with a background of the world seemingly turning orange...
Can we have more of the same... Pretty please...
Can we have more of the same... Pretty please...
Indeed. Vettel seems to be the first on the mic now claiming "foul" everytime anyone comes near the car. I thought the Leclerc/Verstappen incident was a good old fashioned racing incident although its hard to watch that and the outcome and then the Hamilton/Vettel one and see too many differences
Tashyboy
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He/ Leclerc was forced off. Theres racing and there's dirty racing. There's a good write up on the BBC about the
" overtaking" manoeuvre. If getting past someone means you have to force someone off to get by there's something seriously wrong
" overtaking" manoeuvre. If getting past someone means you have to force someone off to get by there's something seriously wrong
bobmac
Major Champion
I agree.
The redbull was obviously faster than the Ferrari and MV could have overtaken Leclerc under DRS without any problem.
Reemul
Head Pro
I disagree totally. There needs to be more gravel traps. In racing Verstappen has the inside line, if Leclerc wanted that line he could have taken it but he didn't want Verstappen to have him round the outside so he stayed wide and wanted to cut across, you do that you risk hitting the guy inside you or getting hit as even on full lock he can drift wide, we all know this is what will happen.
Now if there were gravel traps Leclerc or anyone going round the outside or holding the line has a choice, I could end up beached in the trap so now I don't have the inside line through choice do I want to be beached in the gravel, nope so i let off and try and retaking him further up the road or take a chance and live with the issue that could occur, a beaching in the trap. Now days with all these little run off areas there is no risk just a complaint to the stewards. its' pathetic.
No one wants to be overtaken obviously but they also don't like recognising that they have lost the space, the line and the place and keep it in there hoping for a decision from the stewards. It is a race isn't it so get on and race don't hope for rule infractions or stewards help blah blah, get out there and race.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
To coin a phrase... Rubbin' is racing...
Cherry13
Head Pro
I think ultimately it should have been a penalty, but Max has probably benefited from recent coverage of stewards ‘deciding’ races. He had no need to make the move then and like that, but again he chose to do it and should have ultimately paid the price for that.
Leclerc had to make an unnatural manoeuvre to avoid a collision because of the actions of MV, that for me warrants a penalty. I think sometimes people confuse slowing an opponent down, vs being faster than an opponent. Be aggressive and race hard, that’s ultimately what everyone wants, but don’t force your opponent off the road. Imagine if Charles hadn’t of turned to avoid the collision!!
On the race itself, my god did the commentators over do it. That was not a classic race, it was poor and littered with tactical and driver errors.
Also, a driver starting second falling down to 7th and then coming back to win is not one of the greatest achievements ever. In fact it wasn’t even the best achievement of the day.
Leclerc had to make an unnatural manoeuvre to avoid a collision because of the actions of MV, that for me warrants a penalty. I think sometimes people confuse slowing an opponent down, vs being faster than an opponent. Be aggressive and race hard, that’s ultimately what everyone wants, but don’t force your opponent off the road. Imagine if Charles hadn’t of turned to avoid the collision!!
On the race itself, my god did the commentators over do it. That was not a classic race, it was poor and littered with tactical and driver errors.
Also, a driver starting second falling down to 7th and then coming back to win is not one of the greatest achievements ever. In fact it wasn’t even the best achievement of the day.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Can we have some more races 'littered with tactical and driver errors' as I quite enjoyed yesterday's entertainment... Racing is supposed, for me, to be about a mix of skill and bravado not a game of chess conducted from the sidelines...
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Let’s start at the beginning, the track is a horrible track reminiscent of that base Scalextric track set you had before you spent a fortune buying loads of track to make it a decent layout.
Tashyboy
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This is my point, drivers going nose to nose, that I can accept all day long. But why did MV have to force Leclerc off the track.
ger147
Tour Winner
It took 3 hrs to finalise the decision as Ferrari were lobbying like mad to have a penalty handed out when none was due.
In the end, after 3 hrs of Ferrari trying to persuade them otherwise, the stewards made the correct decision.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Uummm... He didn't... He asked the question concede or bang wheels... The late great Ayrton Senna asked the same question on many occasions...
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
I love it reminds me of Brands club circuit... If all you get after spending out on extra track for your Scalextric is a Paul Ricard I'd sooner stick with basic...
Tashyboy
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If he never forced Leclerc off at that corner. How many times at that corner previously or after did MV take that line as a normal racing line. None. The great Ayrton Senna once said " that if you do not go for a gap when racing, you are not a racing driver". That is my point. You can overtake without doing what he did. Quite frankly if MV does that again someone will take him off. But my blame is not solely with MV. The powers that be have seen these incidents more than once this year. A comment on the BBC site hits the nail on the head. Charlie Whiting would of sorted this out by now.
