Dress code and BAME

[patricks148]

I don't see any problem - I don't wear specialised golf gear apart from shoes and waterproofs (and I've never seen a club ask that members/visitors do) - I wear a pair of trousers, a polo shirt and a sweater - and not seen a religion that insists on jeans or untucked shirts

One of the guys at the Scotland KOKs wore a bright red turban - great company and a lovely guy

The article linked to by the original poster also says nothing about dress codes

How do you know he was good company that day? you didn't have to play with him:ears:

 

[dufferman]

I think it harks back to the Dark Ages when you removed your helmet to show you were not a foe.
Some Clubs haven't left the Dark Ages yet...

That is true!

I can understand the respect thing. It could be a little relaxed though...

At my club, the loos are through the clubhouse, so you have to go via the clubhouse before teeing off etc. Walking through the clubhouse to the loos (all of 15 seconds) I'm often told to take off my hat. By the time I've taken it off I'm usually out the clubhouse!!

Also, seems I missed the real action last night. Lot's of missing replies... oo:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That is true!

I can understand the respect thing. It could be a little relaxed though...

At my club, the loos are through the clubhouse, so you have to go via the clubhouse before teeing off etc. Walking through the clubhouse to the loos (all of 15 seconds) I'm often told to take off my hat. By the time I've taken it off I'm usually out the clubhouse!!

Also, seems I missed the real action last night. Lot's of missing replies... oo:

Correct - in general you shouldn't wear a hat indoors. Common courtesy and gesture of respect to where you are and who is there - and best of all - it's dead easy to comply

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Correct - in general you shouldn't wear a hat indoors. Common courtesy and gesture of respect to where you are and who is there - and best of all - it's dead easy to comply

It's a bit old fashioned though, isn't it?

I don't wear a hat indoors, but equally I wouldn't really think anything of it if someone else did. Maybe I'm just ignorant.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's a bit old fashioned though, isn't it?

I don't wear a hat indoors, but equally I wouldn't really think anything of it if someone else did. Maybe I'm just ignorant.

Indeed - it might seem a little old-fashioned - but that means that the courtesy and respect that the action demonstrates is also old-fashioned and I have no reason to believe that that should be the case. Are we not courteous and respectful any more - or only when we choose Besides if it is easy to take your hat off (as it always is) then take it off. I make my lad take his baseball cap or beanie off when he is in the house or if we go to a restaurant etc. (well I ask him nicely and he complies).

 

[Hacker Khan]

It's a bit old fashioned though, isn't it?

I don't wear a hat indoors, but equally I wouldn't really think anything of it if someone else did. Maybe I'm just ignorant.

Me neither. Never really wear one indoors myself, but in the grand scheme of how you decide if someone is good enough to spend their hard earned money by buying a drink from a bar or a bacon butty, thus contributing money to the golf club, then I'd prefer to use other methods rather than if they are wearing a golf hat. After all pro's never take them off.

Kind of understand that some people may get offended by the fact someone has a hat on (careful, that guy is packing a stovepipe hat, it could all kick off...) but I'd say get over it, it's 2014. Seems yet another silly golf rule who the vast majority of society in 2014 would find a bit antiquated.

 

[North Mimms]

That is true!

I can understand the respect thing. It could be a little relaxed though...

At my club, the loos are through the clubhouse, so you have to go via the clubhouse before teeing off etc. Walking through the clubhouse to the loos (all of 15 seconds) I'm often told to take off my hat. By the time I've taken it off I'm usually out the clubhouse!!

Also, seems I missed the real action last night. Lot's of missing replies... oo:

Our club is the same. If you want to pop to the loos half way round, you walk through the entrance hall past the pro shop. They seem to have a sensible attitude and hats are ok on the way to the loo. But if you go into the bar to pick up a drink, we take our hats off.

Historically, it is ok for ladies to wear a hat indoors (think weddings) but I would always take mine off when picking up a drink from the bar half way. I also suggest to other ladies that they do the same, but some take so long to "do" their hair that it is more trouble than it is worth!

 

[williamalex1]

How do you know he was good company that day? you didn't have to play with him:ears:

You hooked and LIG sliced and were always on opposite sides of the fairway[ rough mostly ] from each other, you two only met up on the greens and tees. :rofl:

 

[patricks148]

You hooked and LIG sliced and were always on opposite sides of the fairway[ rough mostly ] from each other, you two only met up on the greens and tees. :rofl:

Rough! you cheeky old bugger, i hardly missed a Fairway.

As for meeting up on the greens and tee, sometimes not even then:rofl:

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Indeed - it might seem a little old-fashioned - but that means that the courtesy and respect that the action demonstrates is also old-fashioned and I have no reason to believe that that should be the case. Are we not courteous and respectful any more - or only when we choose Besides if it is easy to take your hat off (as it always is) then take it off. I make my lad take his baseball cap or beanie off when he is in the house or if we go to a restaurant etc. (well I ask him nicely and he complies).

I agree that as a society we could do with upping the level of courtesy and respect that we show each other, but I don't think that wearing a hat indoors is relevant to that in this day and age.

I think the vast majority of people take their hats off indoors because they're told that they should (or in some cases, have to). So if that's the only reason it's being done, then in my opinion it's no longer courteous or respectful anyway, it's just another rule that gets followed even though the context in which hats are worn has completely changed.

As a general rule, I don't think that wearing a hat indoors is considered rude anymore. Notwithstanding this however, I'll continue to remove mine, but only because I feel that I should, not because I actually think wearing a hat indoors is rude.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I agree that as a society we could do with upping the level of courtesy and respect that we show each other, but I don't think that wearing a hat indoors is relevant to that in this day and age.

I think the vast majority of people take their hats off indoors because they're told that they should (or in some cases, have to). So if that's the only reason it's being done, then in my opinion it's no longer courteous or respectful anyway, it's just another rule that gets followed even though the context in which hats are worn has completely changed.

As a general rule, I don't think that wearing a hat indoors is considered rude anymore. Notwithstanding this however, I'll continue to remove mine, but only because I feel that I should, not because I actually think wearing a hat indoors is rude.

Not so much that it is 'rude' but that it is an indication of courtesy and respect - and simply 'the right thing to do'. In truth when in the last century was removing your hat more relevant than it is today? I don't suppose that even in the 1910s and 1920s blokes were fearful of getting smote on the head by someone weilding an axe or mace

Nothing has changed other than perhaps the attitudes of some around respect and courtesy to others and to your hosts and surroundings. I sense that most here remove their headwear when indoors - why do they do that? Probably because it is easy and it is still recognised as the right thing to do. And should be encouraged

 

[FairwayDodger]

Oh no, I seem to have fuddy duddy tendencies...... I agree wearing a hat indoors is impolite.... Except when the mother of the bride still has hers on.....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Last year I was in an fairly posh [well for me] Troon restaurant and three middle aged Americans sat throughout their meal with their golf hats on.......they looked proper dicks.

 

[bluewolf]

I take my hat off indoors.. I also remove it when passing, or being passed by a Funeral procession.. Respect (like style) is timeless..

 

[North Mimms]

Last year I was in an fairly posh [well for me] Troon restaurant and three middle aged Americans sat throughout their meal with their golf hats on.......they looked proper dicks.

We holiday in Florida most winters, and I have never got used to Americans (who on the whole are charming and delightful) eating with their caps on.
Other than the hat issue, I find Americans really polite- I always get called Ma'am in shops. Maybe they think I'm the Queen with my "cute accent"

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The hat issue is one that will change over the next few years. It is an impolite thing for older people but youngsters think nothing of it. They see pro's wearing theirs nearly all the time, for commerical reasons I know but all the same...., and so over time it is a rule that will just fall away.

Personally I only wear a hat on the golf course or on holiday to stop sun stroke, I get it easily, and don't wear one indoors as there is no need. For others it is about fashion and I see nothing worse about wearing a hat indoors than wearing garish trousers.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Not so much that it is 'rude' but that it is an indication of courtesy and respect - and simply 'the right thing to do'. In truth when in the last century was removing your hat more relevant than it is today? I don't suppose that even in the 1910s and 1920s blokes were fearful of getting smote on the head by someone weilding an axe or mace

Nothing has changed other than perhaps the attitudes of some around respect and courtesy to others and to your hosts and surroundings. I sense that most here remove their headwear when indoors - why do they do that? Probably because it is easy and it is still recognised as the right thing to do. And should be encouraged

I think the fundamental thing we're not in agreement on is that it is the "right thing to do". In my view, etiquette without basis is just an arbitrary rule. Although others may come along and disagree with me, I don't think people remove their hats because it's the right thing to do, they do it because that's the rule they've been told they should follow.

So although I agree you're right about people not needing to be concerned about being smote by an axe in 1910 or 1920, the role played by hats in society and fashion was very different and so was how people generally interacted with one another. Society was more formal and therefore the formal or traditional appropriate wearing or not wearing of a hat would be part of what is considered courteous or otherwise. I don't think the same could be said of society today.

I doubt in those eras people would wear the clothing they do today to play golf and nor would they dress similarly on the street. I expect businessmen of that era would be astonished that ties in the modern office are in the minority and ladies wear trousers of all things, in the work place.

I'm not one for confining tradition to the scrap heap, I like wearing golf attire to play golf, but I don't dress like a 1920's golfer. Equally, I like wearing a nice suit, but I don't like wearing a tie if I don't have to.

My view is that the barometer of what is and is not courteous and appropriate behaviour in social interactions has changed and I don't think etiquette of years gone by should necessarily be respected as still being the appropriate ettiquette of today.

If someone doesn't want to take their hat off, I don't see the problem with that. I think there are many things about how people interact with one another that are not courteous, but I don't see the wearing of a hat as one of them.

 

[patricks148]

We holiday in Florida most winters, and I have never got used to Americans (who on the whole are charming and delightful) eating with their caps on.
Other than the hat issue, I find Americans really polite- I always get called Ma'am in shops. Maybe they think I'm the Queen with my "cute accent"

I'm told a certain well known club up here had to abolish its no hats and golf shoes in the lounge are restaurant, as they just got fed up asking every American visitors to take their cap off despite there being signs everywhere telling them this.

 

[Foxholer]

The hat issue is one that will change over the next few years. It is an impolite thing for older people but youngsters think nothing of it. They see pro's wearing theirs nearly all the time, for commerical reasons I know but all the same...., and so over time it is a rule that will just fall away.

Personally I only wear a hat on the golf course or on holiday to stop sun stroke, I get it easily, and don't wear one indoors as there is no need. For others it is about fashion and I see nothing worse about wearing a hat indoors than wearing garish trousers.

I agree - or at least Caps in Golf Club casual areas.
I was sitting having a post-round beer at a 'relaxed code Club' the other week and heard someone that looked like a Grandad telling his Grandson to remove his Cap, when my host came back from the loo wearing his, as he almost always does. It's a bit of a Bjorn/Furyk shock when he does take it off though!

It's still natural for me to take the Akubra I occasionally wear off inside though.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think the fundamental thing we're not in agreement on is that it is the "right thing to do". In my view, etiquette without basis is just an arbitrary rule. Although others may come along and disagree with me, I don't think people remove their hats because it's the right thing to do, they do it because that's the rule they've been told they should follow.

So although I agree you're right about people not needing to be concerned about being smote by an axe in 1910 or 1920, the role played by hats in society and fashion was very different and so was how people generally interacted with one another. Society was more formal and therefore the formal or traditional appropriate wearing or not wearing of a hat would be part of what is considered courteous or otherwise. I don't think the same could be said of society today.

I doubt in those eras people would wear the clothing they do today to play golf and nor would they dress similarly on the street. I expect businessmen of that era would be astonished that ties in the modern office are in the minority and ladies wear trousers of all things, in the work place.

I'm not one for confining tradition to the scrap heap, I like wearing golf attire to play golf, but I don't dress like a 1920's golfer. Equally, I like wearing a nice suit, but I don't like wearing a tie if I don't have to.

My view is that the barometer of what is and is not courteous and appropriate behaviour in social interactions has changed and I don't think etiquette of years gone by should necessarily be respected as still being the appropriate ettiquette of today.

If someone doesn't want to take their hat off, I don't see the problem with that. I think there are many things about how people interact with one another that are not courteous, but I don't see the wearing of a hat as one of them.

Top post there yellow person.

Also to be honest I think most people look better in a golf cap than matted down sweaty messy hat hair.