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2024 PGA Championship

Bunkermagnet said:
He must be innocent if he's a golfer...........:rolleyes:
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Not sure if anyone has said he is innocent of doing anything wrong.

But, it appears that if he is guilty of something, it isn't exactly a heinous crime. So, the question is, was the police officer's response proportionate. Or, was it ridiculously over-dramatic, and just another incident that tarnishes the reputation of US police? I guess we'll find out more over time, but I'm betting the second scenario is more likely.

Although, I'd love to see footage of Scheffler shouting and swearing at police from his car, giving them the finger and going full Jamie Carragher and spitting at them. Only because it would be the last thing I'd expect.
 
I think I read somewhere that this is likely to be Valhalla's last PGA Championship, as the PGA sold the course a few years back and it isn't a particularly popular course with the players. All this happening probably hasn't helped the chances of a major return.
 
Swango1980 said:
Not sure if anyone has said he is innocent of doing anything wrong.

But, it appears that if he is guilty of something, it isn't exactly a heinous crime. So, the question is, was the police officer's response proportionate. Or, was it ridiculously over-dramatic, and just another incident that tarnishes the reputation of US police? I guess we'll find out more over time, but I'm betting the second scenario is more likely.

Although, I'd love to see footage of Scheffler shouting and swearing at police from his car, giving them the finger and going full Jamie Carragher and spitting at them. Only because it would be the last thing I'd expect.
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None of really know what’s happened here, but amongst many possibilities there are two scenarios to consider, which are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

In one, it’s possible that Scheffler may have driven, deliberately or inadvertently, through part of a scene which the police were trying to secure as it provided evidence relating to the earlier fatal collision. I’ve had that happen in my previous life and I can tell you unreservedly, there are few things which used to make me angrier as a police officer trying to investigate the circumstances of a fatality.

The second is that Scheffler genuinely misunderstood directions he was being given, and drove the wrong way but nowhere near the scene itself, and the police officer overreacted and dealt with what happened in a manner which was totally disproportionate.

It’s impossible to say for certain which end of the spectrum this falls. It’s doubtless somewhere in between. But if I was to hazard a guess I know which way I’m leaning. Towards the latter.
 
Billysboots said:
None of really know what’s happened here, but amongst many possibilities there are two scenarios to consider, which are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

In one, it’s possible that Scheffler may have driven, deliberately or inadvertently, through part of a scene which the police were trying to secure as it provided evidence relating to the earlier fatal collision. I’ve had that happen in my previous life and I can tell you unreservedly, there are few things which used to make me angrier as a police officer trying to investigate the circumstances of a fatality.

The second is that Scheffler genuinely misunderstood directions he was being given, and drove the wrong way but nowhere near the scene itself, and the police officer overreacted and dealt with what happened in a manner which was totally disproportionate.

It’s impossible to say for certain which end of the spectrum this falls. It’s doubtless somewhere in between. But if I was to hazard a guess I know which way I’m leaning. Towards the latter.
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I see one of the charges against him is second degree assault of a police officer.

What would be an example of this?

I find it hard to believe Scheffler would be capable of this. But, never judge a book by its cover I guess. Although I do suspect the police might have just dreamed up a bunch of charges that might be relevant, and fired them his way.

Will be interesting if he fights those charges, or accepts them
 
Swango1980 said:
I see one of the charges against him is second degree assault of a police officer.

What would be an example of this?

I find it hard to believe Scheffler would be capable of this. But, never judge a book by its cover I guess. Although I do suspect the police might have just dreamed up a bunch of charges that might be relevant, and fired them his way.

Will be interesting if he fights those charges, or accepts them
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The mutterings about the assault charge is that he was driving off whilst the officer had his hands on the car. He personally didn't assault the officer.

All a bit odd. Perhaps the officer had a bodycam on and the footage will be released.
 
Swango1980 said:
Not all Amercian police officers are super intelligent :)

If he saw it was Scottie Scheffler, maybe he fancied making a name for himself. A story to tell the grandkids. The day I arrested the best golfer in the world. Might even get an interview with Jimmy Kimmel or Conan O'Brien, make a few bob.
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Most are thick as mince. Some say it's a pre requisite of being a US police officer.
 
Pin-seeker said:
I’m sure phone calls are being made by the top boys at the PGA to the police.
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I originally heard that the officer arrested him without knowing exactly who he was arresting, not a problem arresting a nobody regardless of whether he was guilty or innocent, he would have proven guilty regardlessly and without a fuss.

But arresting the world's no1 golfer, you better have him banged to rights because the world's media is going to scrutinise every aspect of the incident and ask a lot of awkward questions.

My money says all charges a quietly dropped some time in the not too distant future.
 
Swango1980 said:
I see one of the charges against him is second degree assault of a police officer.

What would be an example of this?
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Not entirely sure as it’s not something we have in the UK.

As a guide, the lowest level assault we have here is common assault, which doesn’t necessarily need someone to lay hands on. A threat can be enough. It might be something similar, but I really don’t know.
 
Golfnut1957 said:
I originally heard that the officer arrested him without knowing exactly who he was arresting, not a problem arresting a nobody regardless of whether he was guilty or innocent, he would have proven guilty regardlessly and without a fuss.

But arresting the world's no1 golfer, you better have him banged to rights because the world's media is going to scrutinise every aspect of the incident and ask a lot of awkward questions.

My money says all charges a quietly dropped some time in the not too distant future.
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The identity of the person you’re arresting should not have any bearing whatsoever on the decision.
 
Golfnut1957 said:
I originally heard that the officer arrested him without knowing exactly who he was arresting, not a problem arresting a nobody regardless of whether he was guilty or innocent, he would have proven guilty regardlessly and without a fuss.

But arresting the world's no1 golfer, you better have him banged to rights because the world's media is going to scrutinise every aspect of the incident and ask a lot of awkward questions.

My money says all charges a quietly dropped some time in the not too distant future.
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I’d like to think you’re wrong.
But I don’t.
Different rules for different folk.
 
Billysboots said:
The identity of the person you’re arresting should not have any bearing whatsoever on the decision.
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Of course, that goes without saying. The point I was making was that an officer can arrest a nobody without any scrutiny, it would be the officer's word against the person charged. In this case the opposite will occur and the media will be all over it.

So far it sounds like a misunderstanding by Scheffler and a heavy-handed over the top response by the Police, which may or may not have happened if they had known who he was and what he was about. And while that should never happen, history shows us it can and does.
 
Golfnut1957 said:
I originally heard that the officer arrested him without knowing exactly who he was arresting, not a problem arresting a nobody regardless of whether he was guilty or innocent, he would have proven guilty regardlessly and without a fuss.

But arresting the world's no1 golfer, you better have him banged to rights because the world's media is going to scrutinise every aspect of the incident and ask a lot of awkward questions.

My money says all charges a quietly dropped some time in the not too distant future.
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Tiger drove a car off the road with his foot buried on the accelerator - then he built a public venue to host an indoor golf competition which collapsed. Neither drew any of the concerns that they perhaps should have.

Sounds like Scottie made a few bad decisions that have conspired to create a very tricky situation - but you're right, it will be tidied up by a few suits and I doubt we'll hear much of it beyond next week.
 
Mel Smooth said:
Tiger drove a car off the road with his foot buried on the accelerator - then he built a public venue to host an indoor golf competition which collapsed. Neither drew any of the concerns that they perhaps should have.

Sounds like Scottie made a few bad decisions that have conspired to create a very tricky situation - but you're right, it will be tidied up by a few suits and I doubt we'll hear much of it beyond next week.
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How is that relevant to anything


There have been a lot of statements and pictures etc posted all about the incident , I guess it’s prob best to wait until the full facts come out to decide if it’s something that’s been blown out of proportion by the police or Scottie was not acting smartly


But back to the golf

Some stunning shots from Morikawa

It’s a shame we can’t see more as they are watching Woods warm up on the range
 
On a USA golf forum, a guy who has played in high-level competitions over there says it is normal for the pros to have a courtesy car and a pass on their rear-view mirror which allows them to pretty much drive where they want, and that might have added to the confusion.
 
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