The Footie Thread

[PaulMdj]

I also much prefer counter-attacking than death by a thousand passes. It's why I always hated the Barca team of the late 2000s. Boring.

I am wishing Spurs gave Nuno more of a chance rather than knee-jerking thanks to Levy's Conte obsession. The argument was that the football wasn't great, but I think he was doing due diligence in making sure we were defensively sound before addressing the attacking side. Pretty much what he has done with Forest from the start of his tenure to now. Ange has come in and his approach is to ignore defence completely. We are lower down and worse off now than we were when Nuno was sacked, I believe, but some fans seem to rate attractive football over actual results, which I cannot get on board with.

Ideally you’d like both, but the sad thing is as I put before, it’s all the way down to kids football as the way forward.

It’s alright some people saying Managers have to play to their players strength, but it’s abundently clear some are trying to change the players.

Virtually every PL Keeper is now an extra outfield player at times, some of them standing near the centre circle.

I’ve never seen so many goals scored from keeper and defensive errors as there has been in the last few years!

 

[Don Barzini]

As great as Chris Wood is, I'd love to see an effective, traditional English goalhanger in the team - even just for use as a sub when Wood has worn himself out. We create a few of these type of chances later in games.

Speaking of Wood, I wonder how much he would currently be worth if he was 6 or 7 years younger.

 

[PaulMdj]

Speaking of Wood, I wonder how much he would currently be worth if he was 6 or 7 years younger.

He was rubbish 6 or 7 years ago, wouldn’t of got in this team.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Speaking of Wood, I wonder how much he would currently be worth if he was 6 or 7 years younger.

When he left Newcastle they would have accepted a bid of £2.50. They would also have had 40,000 offers of a lift from Toon fans. Honestly, he had next to no value at that point in his career. Now..........different story.

 

[Swango1980]

Pep Guardiola has got the entire world believing that the only way to win (or to deserve to win) a football match is to dominate possession, play out from the back and tippy-tap it around your back line until you bore the opposition to death. How’s that working out for Southampton this year? How did it work out for Burnley last year? (Alright, it somehow worked out for Kompany - I’ll never understand that!)

King Nuno has proved him wrong and people are struggling a great deal to accept it.

Give me this current style of play by Forest - breaking away at lightening speed and scoring beautiful goals - rather than playing five million passes round the edge of the box before tying to walk it into the net any day!

Funny, I was about to reply to this, and see Orikoru replied almost exactly the same sort of reply I was going to make.

Barcelona were one of the best club sides I've ever seen, with the Messi, Iniesta, Xavi mob. La Ligue was on Sky. Yet, I really hated watching Barcelona, it was just so boring watch them dominate the game as much as they did. I much preferred watching Real Madrid, who seemed to play football with really quick, direct attacks. They may still happen to have most possession in most games to be fair (as most opponents were much inferior), but it was just an attacking style I preferred to watch, where they went for the jugular more often. Having powerful, quick forwards like Ronaldo and Baleis a buzz to watch. The type of players that get you on the edge of your seat. Whereas, if a team wants to have 200 passes before they score a goal, you really can't get on the edge of your seat, your knees will get knackered.

It is why I've said in the past I hate watching Man City. Whether they win 1-0 or 6-0, it is still mind numbingly boring. Don't get me wrong, if I was a Man City fan, I'd probably love it. I'd imagine so many of their games are stress free (at least before their current form) for their fans, get 2/3 goals ahead and then just bore the opposition to death.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I also much prefer counter-attacking than death by a thousand passes. It's why I always hated the Barca team of the late 2000s. Boring.

I am wishing Spurs gave Nuno more of a chance rather than knee-jerking thanks to Levy's Conte obsession. The argument was that the football wasn't great, but I think he was doing due diligence in making sure we were defensively sound before addressing the attacking side. Pretty much what he has done with Forest from the start of his tenure to now. Ange has come in and his approach is to ignore defence completely. We are lower down and worse off now than we were when Nuno was sacked, I believe, but some fans seem to rate attractive football over actual results, which I cannot get on board with.

It’s why Klopp was better and more exciting than Pep

Played a more exciting brand of football but was also able to mix it up a little

 

[Swango1980]

I think this Forest fan has warmed to Chris Wood

Edit: He might not actually be a Forest fan, as he does other stuff like this. So, at least the video can be appreciated by real Forest and Chris Wood fans

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Match of the Day presenters: Kelly Cates, Mark Chapman and Gabby Logan to host MOTD

Kelly Cates, Mark Chapman and Gabby Logan will be the new Match of the Day presenters, the BBC has announced.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bdill93]

It’s why Klopp was better and more exciting than Pep

Played a more exciting brand of football but was also able to mix it up a little

Id take Klopp over Pep, agree, far better football for the fans watching.

In 5 years you might be having a Slot or Klopp debate though....

 

[clubchamp98]

... if there'd been 18 hours of stoppage time.

The time it takes Forest to take a throw in that’s not out of the question.
Mind you TAA isn’t much better.

 

[Tashyboy]

Pep Guardiola has got the entire world believing that the only way to win (or to deserve to win) a football match is to dominate possession, play out from the back and tippy-tap it around your back line until you bore the opposition to death. How’s that working out for Southampton this year? How did it work out for Burnley last year? (Alright, it somehow worked out for Kompany - I’ll never understand that!)

King Nuno has proved him wrong and people are struggling a great deal to accept it.

Give me this current style of play by Forest - breaking away at lightening speed and scoring beautiful goals - rather than playing five million passes round the edge of the box before tying to walk it into the net any day!

There’s a lot of that, that is factually wrong. When Pep first came to City, and don’t forget everyone was saying A, he wouldn’t make it because the premier league is different mustard.B, he will only be around for two years. On both accounts they were massively wrong.
So. City have not always played the way they play today. Remember the days of Sane and Sterling. They were lightning fast and helped to destroy teams. Roll on a couple of seasons and teams sat back because they could not get the ball from Citys open play, nothing to do with boring the other team to death. You keep the ball til you create a space. With teams sat back, Pep brought in players like Mahrez who could unlock the door and he did. The current style of play at Forest where they break away at lightening speed and scoring beautiful goals was City in the first few years under Pep. What makes me chuckle is the play it out from the back bit. Every team including Forest do that. It is done at juniors football level. Why, because you retain possession and you don’t score if you don’t have the ball. What that has done is to make defenders better footballers and not just “ Hoofers”.

Away from that. Last year City drew at Forest 1-1. After that game Citys players had a massive talk after the game. Bottom line they said” another performance like that and we lose the title”. It spurred City onto a massive run which ended up with City winning the title. It also gave Forest a massive boost which gave them the belief to stay up.
Last nights 1-1 draw, I think it will spur Liverpool onto the title and should give Forest the belief that they have a chance of champs league football next season.

 

[PaulMdj]

There’s a lot of that, that is factually wrong. When Pep first came to City, and don’t forget everyone was saying A, he wouldn’t make it because the premier league is different mustard.B, he will only be around for two years. On both accounts they were massively wrong.
So. City have not always played the way they play today. Remember the days of Sane and Sterling. They were lightning fast and helped to destroy teams. Roll on a couple of seasons and teams sat back because they could not get the ball from Citys open play, nothing to do with boring the other team to death. You keep the ball til you create a space. With teams sat back, Pep brought in players like Mahrez who could unlock the door and he did. The current style of play at Forest where they break away at lightening speed and scoring beautiful goals was City in the first few years under Pep. What makes me chuckle is the play it out from the back bit. Every team including Forest do that. It is done at juniors football level. Why, because you retain possession and you don’t score if you don’t have the ball. What that has done is to make defenders better footballers and not just “ Hoofers”.

Away from that. Last year City drew at Forest 1-1. After that game Citys players had a massive talk after the game. Bottom line they said” another performance like that and we lose the title”. It spurred City onto a massive run which ended up with City winning the title. It also gave Forest a massive boost which gave them the belief to stay up.
Last nights 1-1 draw, I think it will spur Liverpool onto the title and should give Forest the belief that they have a chance of champs league football next season.

Agree you can’t score without the ball, but as others have said you need the players who are comfortable on the ball and those who can see/read the game.

When Barca were doing it, few other clubs could compete as they didn’t have the players, now as you say it’s taught to Junior level! And everyone thinks they can do it, they can’t! Have you seen the West Ham v Fulham match from last night? So just one question, how did teams develop before Pep?

 

[clubchamp98]

I think it’s made defenders better on the ball but it hasn’t made them better defenders.
TAA is a prime example.
Some of the defending in the PL is shocking imo.

Also keepers there good on the ball but a lot of them can’t even catch a cross anymore they punch everything.

 

[Tashyboy]

Agree you can’t score without the ball, but as others have said you need the players who are comfortable on the ball and those who can see/read the game.

When Barca were doing it, few other clubs could compete as they didn’t have the players, now as you say it’s taught to Junior level! And everyone thinks they can do it, they can’t! Have you seen the West Ham v Fulham match from last night? So just one question, how did teams develop before Pep?

The odd thing is that Peps mentor was Cryuff and a guy called Juanma Lillo who helped him to develop. One of the philosophy’s is the idea to keep the ball and move it from side to side is to over load one side of the pitch with attackers to make the opening. This means moving the ball quickly from side to side. And that this year is where City are failing miserably.They just don’t have the players to do it. KDB injured although it is better now he is back, Gundoghan should not of come back.Kovacic now struggling. Ironically the idea the idea of moving the ball quickly from side to side came from handball. It is something Pep mentioned whilst in America to a basketball team. It helps to create the opening.
Your first sentence. I was a season ticket holder at City when Pep first came. Sweet lord, playing out from the back it was nail bitingly scary. I lost count the amount of times fans were saying just boot it, which was the exact opposite of what Pep wanted. Playing out from the back is an art. As is the press to get the ball back from the press. If any teams had been coached well in a press against City in the early days.. City would of been battered. As you say, not every player can do it, that was one of the reasons Pep parted company with Joe Hart. He could not play out from the back, Although Joe Hart did say he was not given the opportunity.

 

[Tashyboy]

I think it’s made defenders better on the ball but it hasn’t made them better defenders.
TAA is a prime example.
Some of the defending in the PL is shocking imo.

Also keepers there good on the ball but a lot of them can’t even catch a cross anymore they punch everything.

Claudio Bravo is the classic example of who you describe. At City he was shocking but his record for Chile is excellent.

TAA is an excellent example. We have done to death TAA v Walker. But if Walker could pass like TAA. How much would he have been worth.In the same sense if TAA had Walkers pace how much would he be worth.
A lot has been said about Walker now not being the player he was because he has lost a yard or two. But at times walkers positional play was poor with only his speed helping at times.