The Footie Thread

[IJames]

None the wiser after reading them.
the problem is one VAR refs handball is not another’s.
” to early in the move to disallow the goal” absolute bollocks!
it’s handball

Yeah, that's what puzzled me! FWIW, I'd have been happy with the reply that it wasn't handball as player was simply defending himself - though if TAA was a couple of yards further away, that wouldn't apply! Maybe during the discussion between On Field Ref and VAR, the OFR stated that his ruling was 'not handball' which the VAR agreed with or wouldn't overule (I'm inclined toward the latter, as it wouldn't be a 'clear and obvious error' imo!. Unless the entire conversation is reported, the actual reasoning can easily be lost! I would be great to have something for the PL like the SPL's VARdict podcast!

 

[clubchamp98]

Yeah, that's what puzzled me! FWIW, I'd have been happy with the reply that it wasn't handball as player was simply defending himself - though if TAA was a couple of yards further away, that wouldn't apply! Maybe during the discussion between On Field Ref and VAR, the OFR stated that his ruling was 'not handball' which the VAR agreed with or wouldn't overule (I'm inclined toward the latter, as it wouldn't be a 'clear and obvious error' imo!. Unless the entire conversation is reported, the actual reasoning can easily be lost! I would be great to have something for the PL like the SPL's VARdict podcast!

Thing is though they have thrown out a very silly explanation.

If you move your arm to the ball it’s handball. No matter how slight.
The OFR might have missed it, but VAR was invented for this very situation.
But refs just backing their mates isn’t working.

 

[Hobbit]

None the wiser after reading them.
the problem is one VAR refs handball is not another’s.
” to early in the move to disallow the goal” absolute bollocks!
it’s handball

Yeah, but if a linesman can throw an elbow and get away with it, it’s only fair that TAA can do the same.

 

[IJames]

Thing is though they have thrown out a very silly explanation.

If you move your arm to the ball it’s handball. No matter how slight.
The OFR might have missed it, but VAR was invented for this very situation.
But refs just backing their mates isn’t working.

HANDBALL Q&A: Did VAR look at Liverpool's opener against Leeds?

KIERAN GILL: The incident in question, on this occasion, took place during Liverpool's 6-1 demolition of Leeds in the Premier League on Monday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Neilds]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

 

[Tashyboy]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

I was having a natter about this a week or so ago. It was mentioned ( and I don’t know if it is true), that there is no FFP in the lower leagues. If that is the case, why’s that? The possible problem down the line is when Wrexham do get promoted will they be within FFP rules. Seems to Me that Wrexham are doing a Salford.
From Citys point of view, re the stadium and match day experience. The planned extension to the ground, Hotel and “ City square” is fantastic news. I read a piece the other day where City enquired about buying the ground outright. They were told if they do the money goes to Sport England. At the moment rent money goes to Manchester. City have decided to keep giving the rent money to Manchester

 

[Newtonuti]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

I've got no problem with the Hollywood duo coming and in taking Wrexham up, but it annoys me that everybody's hailing it as a 'Fairytale'. Not sure having a league 1 budget in the National League is a fairytale. A fairytale would be say, Scarborough getting promoted to the football league, even though they'd have such a small budget and mostly locally developed lads playing.

 

[Neilds]

I've got no problem with the Hollywood duo coming and in taking Wrexham up, but it annoys me that everybody's hailing it as a 'Fairytale'. Not sure having a league 1 budget in the National League is a fairytale. A fairytale would be say, Scarborough getting promoted to the football league, even though they'd have such a small budget and mostly locally developed lads playing.

League 1 budget?!!? I bet their budget is more than Rotherham Utd in the Championship
Hopefully this can be the year that Rotherham stay in the Championship - been up and down for the last 6 seasons!

 

[GB72]

I've got no problem with the Hollywood duo coming and in taking Wrexham up, but it annoys me that everybody's hailing it as a 'Fairytale'. Not sure having a league 1 budget in the National League is a fairytale. A fairytale would be say, Scarborough getting promoted to the football league, even though they'd have such a small budget and mostly locally developed lads playing.

I agree with a lot of that but I would rather see people investing in the lower leagues and developing clubs than putting more money into already massively cash rich divisions. It is a fairytale in so far as what it is doing for the town and the area (from what I can see) rather than a fairytale sporting achievement. Plus, they seem so nice, hard to not like people who seem so invested in the club and seem realy decent with it.

 

[hairball_89]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

I don’t remember Ryan Reynolds beheading anyone.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

I guess a lot of it comes down to the Telly show

In the show it showed a lot of suffering the club had over the years , nearly going out of business only got fans to step in

Not sure how much money they have put in but recently it was just over £1mil to sort Stadium out etc


If they werent Hollywood stars then no one would notice and they aren’t “state owners” , human rights issues etc and not doing any sportswashing

They also prob won’t get beyond Lge 1 I suspect

In other news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1648603825731764225

Just a yellow

 

[Newtonuti]

I agree with a lot of that but I would rather see people investing in the lower leagues and developing clubs than putting more money into already massively cash rich divisions. It is a fairytale in so far as what it is doing for the town and the area (from what I can see) rather than a fairytale sporting achievement. Plus, they seem so nice, hard to not like people who seem so invested in the club and seem realy decent with it.

Yeh I totally agree, it's just the way the media have portrayed it that has annoyed me.

 

[Fade and Die]

I don’t remember Ryan Reynolds beheading anyone.

You not seen Deadpool?

 

[Swango1980]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

If Wrexham went to the very top of the football pyramid, and dominated every other team, then I'm sure people would say they are buying success. And, it would be true.

However, given most mainstream stories in mainstream media are related to the higher tier clubs, in particular Premier League clubs, and that most social media posts are made by fans of top, well supported clubs and/or related to those clubs, then it would be pretty tame to start making a big song and dance about Wrexham buying success. Given there are many clubs with more money than Wrexham.

As also pointed out, it only makes news because the investment is from Hollywood film stars. And, the Salford City investment was made by well known footballers, which therefore also generated news. Had a bigger investment been made by some unknown business person, we'd hear very little about it. It is a fairy tale type story, because most people telling that story, or listening to it, feel no direct threat from Wrexham to their own team.

 

[clubchamp98]

Why is it that some clubs, when they have success after a takeover by rich owners (Man City, Newcastle) everyone turns on them and accuses them of buying success and ruining football, but Wrexham are the current darlings of lower league football and everybody loves them? The new Hollywood owners have come in, thrown money around and made the Conference a very uneven playing field and yet they are loved by the media and are a lot of people's '2nd' club

Might be the owners havnt executed anyone this week.

 

[Tashyboy]

If Wrexham went to the very top of the football pyramid, and dominated every other team, then I'm sure people would say they are buying success. And, it would be true.

However, given most mainstream stories in mainstream media are related to the higher tier clubs, in particular Premier League clubs, and that most social media posts are made by fans of top, well supported clubs and/or related to those clubs, then it would be pretty tame to start making a big song and dance about Wrexham buying success. Given there are many clubs with more money than Wrexham.

As also pointed out, it only makes news because the investment is from Hollywood film stars. And, the Salford City investment was made by well known footballers, which therefore also generated news. Had a bigger investment been made by some unknown business person, we'd hear very little about it. It is a fairy tale type story, because most people telling that story, or listening to it, feel no direct threat from Wrexham to their own team.

I think the last bit hits the nail on the head. They are not a threat. City were in exactly the same position, we were not a threat. When that changed. Opinions changed. Unfortunately football has changed massively since the formation of the prem
League. And so have the owners with pockets being much deeper. Unfortunately some of those owners are of dodgy character even though the “ fit and proper” owners criteria is passed. Having walked in City’s shoes for 60 years, Newcastle fans will have a bucketload of trolling to deal with in the coming years due to new owners “ buying success”. ( haven’t they suffered enough having Ashley as owner). Utd fans should they be bought out by Qataris will get the Same grief.

 

[Neilds]

If Wrexham went to the very top of the football pyramid, and dominated every other team, then I'm sure people would say they are buying success. And, it would be true.

However, given most mainstream stories in mainstream media are related to the higher tier clubs, in particular Premier League clubs, and that most social media posts are made by fans of top, well supported clubs and/or related to those clubs, then it would be pretty tame to start making a big song and dance about Wrexham buying success. Given there are many clubs with more money than Wrexham.

As also pointed out, it only makes news because the investment is from Hollywood film stars. And, the Salford City investment was made by well known footballers, which therefore also generated news. Had a bigger investment been made by some unknown business person, we'd hear very little about it. It is a fairy tale type story, because most people telling that story, or listening to it, feel no direct threat from Wrexham to their own team.

Wrexham might not be a threat to the top teams but if League 1 and 2 clubs try to match them by splashing their own cash to buy and pay players, then the risk to those clubs is very real and we could see more clubs go out of business in the future.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think the last bit hits the nail on the head. They are not a threat. City were in exactly the same position, we were not a threat. When that changed. Opinions changed. Unfortunately football has changed massively since the formation of the prem
League. And so have the owners with pockets being much deeper. Unfortunately some of those owners are of dodgy character even though the “ fit and proper” owners criteria is passed. Having walked in City’s shoes for 60 years, Newcastle fans will have a bucketload of trolling to deal with in the coming years due to new owners “ buying success”. ( haven’t they suffered enough having Ashley as owner). Utd fans should they be bought out by Qataris will get the Same grief.

Tashy, the Newcastle fans will care as much about that as I suspect the City fans do . Every time you look at that trophy cabinet, see a KDB slide rule pass, you must worry deeply about the chants from the opposition fans

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the last bit hits the nail on the head. They are not a threat. City were in exactly the same position, we were not a threat. When that changed. Opinions changed. Unfortunately football has changed massively since the formation of the prem
League. And so have the owners with pockets being much deeper. Unfortunately some of those owners are of dodgy character even though the “ fit and proper” owners criteria is passed. Having walked in City’s shoes for 60 years, Newcastle fans will have a bucketload of trolling to deal with in the coming years due to new owners “ buying success”. ( haven’t they suffered enough having Ashley as owner). Utd fans should they be bought out by Qataris will get the Same grief.

Surely that will depend on if Newcastle carry on the same financial cheating that City have done

Currently any Newcastle spending appears to have been done within FFP rules

People will be critical of the source of the source of money as it appears the club was purchased under falsehood in regards where the money comes from.

 

[Tashyboy]

Tashy, the Newcastle fans will care as much about that as I suspect the City fans do . Every time you look at that trophy cabinet, see a KDB slide rule pass, you must worry deeply about the chants from the opposition fans

Lost loads sleep watching KDB. Hopefully I will lose a bit more seeing him
On Saturday at Wembley with son and grandson.