The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 15344]

Stop comparing it (simply) with City! I know their advantages - same as they had last year, even without Haaland for most of it! There are 6 other teams that haven't dropped off like Liverpool have! Is it lack of funds? Or bad management? The reasons you suggest may well be correct, but it really comes to one of those 2 questions (or luck, which I discount)!

I’m comparing it to the other squad/team that’s been going at it over the last 5/6 years

How many of those other teams have been challenging over the previous 5 seasons

If the likes of Utd , Arsenal , etc have been challenging for titles over the last 5 years then they could be compared but they havent.

 

[Bdill93]

We needed to strengthen the midfield.
why we didn’t we don’t know only Klopp and the owners really know.
They might tell us but they may not.

Are the owners still trying to sell up? Maybe its literally that they don't wish to invest their own cash atm?

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Missed the game last night .
I would put TAA in midfield and get a full back.
but we all have our best teams.
City and Arsenal employed very wide men against us and caused major problems.
it’s the way to play against us .

That is defeating the object tactically of pushing the RB into midfield.

I've carefully watched City and Arsenal do this and the advantage of doing it is gaining an extra forward thinking midfielder and being able to get chalk on the wingers boots.

It does come with a risk of conceding goals but i think if done right, it will yeild greater results.

 

[Neilds]

The 'Liverpool players are really tired' doesn't really wash with me. As I recall, Klopp was one of the more vocal managers wanting the number of substitutes to be increased but then last night he waiting until the last 10 minutes to make any changes. If they were really concerned about player fatigue, surely 4-1 up with just under 30 minutes left is a better time to make the changes?

 

[Bdill93]

The 'Liverpool players are really tired' doesn't really wash with me. As I recall, Klopp was one of the more vocal managers wanting the number of substitutes to be increased but then last night he waiting until the last 10 minutes to make any changes. If they were really concerned about player fatigue, surely 4-1 up with just under 30 minutes left is a better time to make the changes?

Honestly its the most lame and pathetic excuse I've ever heard for professional sportsmen.

They're mentally gone, not physically. Only one man can bring them back up but he seems more and more negative, not sure where his smile has gone!

 

[IJames]

I’m comparing it to the other squad/team that’s been going at it over the last 5/6 years

How many of those other teams have been challenging over the previous 5 seasons

If the likes of Utd , Arsenal , etc have been challenging for titles over the last 5 years then they could be compared but they havent.

That's an even more damning criticism then! FWIW, I'm not being critical, just puzzled! Does seem more likely to be under-investment by the owners to me! Hopefully, for Liverpool fans, that will get resolved soon!

 

[Swango1980]

Honestly its the most lame and pathetic excuse I've ever heard for professional sportsmen.

They're mentally gone, not physically. Only one man can bring them back up but he seems more and more negative, not sure where his smile has gone!

Fans of pretty much every other club seem to be happy to be critical when their club under-perform. But, somehow it appears Liverpool get a pass because they played a lot of games last year.

With a month or so of last season to go, I'd love to have put the following to Liverpool fans "You are performing near your absolute limit, you'll be burnt out next year and be garbage, what do you think?". I'm pretty sure they'd tell me how amazing Liverpool are, that won't happen, and that Klopp won't let it happen. However, it has happened, but now tiredness appears to be an acceptable excuse. Mind you, I'm not sure if the general feeling of Liverpool fans is properly represented within this forum, so maybe their representation in here is misleading?

No idea why they (some) are still comparing their squad to City as an excuse for their performances. Everybody in here knows City have a much better squad, and that has pretty much been the case at all times in the last few years. They need to be reminded that they are also currently behind Arsenal, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa and Brighton. They have more problems than City's squad.

 

[Swango1980]

That's an even more damning criticism then! FWIW, I'm not being critical, just puzzled! Does seem more likely to be under-investment by the owners to me! Hopefully, for Liverpool fans, that will get resolved soon!

Or investment in the wrong areas? They seemed to be desperate to splash cash in attacking areas, even when they still had Mane, Firminho and Salah. I guess they knew Mane was leaving, but they still went and got Diaz, Jota, Gapko and Nunez. Did they need all 4? Could they have been a bit more balanced and measured, and maybe looked at their midfield and defence. Perhaps got 1 or 2 good forwards, and another good midfielder and defender?

 

[Bdill93]

Or investment in the wrong areas? They seemed to be desperate to splash cash in attacking areas, even when they still had Mane, Firminho and Salah. I guess they knew Mane was leaving, but they still went and got Diaz, Jota, Gapko and Nunez. Did they need all 4? Could they have been a bit more balanced and measured, and maybe looked at their midfield and defence. Perhaps got 1 or 2 good forwards, and another good midfielder and defender?

They probably tried but Chelsea signed them first

 

[Pin-seeker]

Are the owners still trying to sell up? Maybe its literally that they don't wish to invest their own cash atm?

Apparently more interested in taking money out of the club.
Lots of fans want them gone

 

[Beezerk]

Or investment in the wrong areas? They seemed to be desperate to splash cash in attacking areas, even when they still had Mane, Firminho and Salah. I guess they knew Mane was leaving, but they still went and got Diaz, Jota, Gapko and Nunez. Did they need all 4? Could they have been a bit more balanced and measured, and maybe looked at their midfield and defence. Perhaps got 1 or 2 good forwards, and another good midfielder and defender?

Agree, take Henderson, granted I don’t watch him week in week out but he looked shot at the WC for England, way off the pace and just past his best. Fast forward and he’s started most games for Liverpool hasn’t he? That’s not the quality you require in a high energy Liverpool team.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are the owners still trying to sell up? Maybe its literally that they don't wish to invest their own cash atm?

The owners don’t invest their own money

The club is self sufficient- any money it’s spends is money that comes into the club from revenues

We have loans to rebuild the stadium


It’s the model that’s been there since they bought the club

We don’t get held up by debt or owners money

 

[Neilds]

The owners don’t invest their own money

The club is self sufficient- any money it’s spends is money that comes into the club from revenues

We have loans to rebuild the stadium


It’s the model that’s been there since they bought the club

We don’t get held up by debt or owners money

Really?

Explained: Why Liverpool owe owners FSG £71.4m

And have other debts of £88 million.

www.thisisanfield.com

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Really?

Explained: Why Liverpool owe owners FSG £71.4m

And have other debts of £88 million.

www.thisisanfield.com

Yes really

The money the owner gave to build the stand was from a loan that was set up in the US

New Main Stand loan not interest free - but Liverpool owners won't pocket cash

Accounts showed that the Reds will pay 1.24% on the £110million FSG borrowed

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

“
As a result the interest of 1.24% - which represents around £1.3million per year - will be paid to the banks rather than into FSG’s pockets.


If Liverpool FC had gone to the banks themselves to secure a £110million loan they would have been looking at paying an interest rate of nearer 5%.


It made sense business wise for FSG to borrow the money with Liverpool saving around £3million per year over the six years it will take to pay back the loan.”

 

[Neilds]

Yes really

The money the owner gave to build the stand was from a loan that was set up in the US

But that contradicts the last line in your previous post. Either the owner puts money in (loan or otherwise) or he doesn't?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But that contradicts the last line in your previous post. Either the owner puts money in (loan or otherwise) or he doesn't?

Or we are just talking about the investment for players as my post says stands are being built using loans

But they don’t use their own cash for anything

 

[IJames]

The owners don’t invest their own money

The club is self sufficient- any money it’s spends is money that comes into the club from revenues

We have loans to rebuild the stadium


It’s the model that’s been there since they bought the club

We don’t get held up by debt or owners money

A seemingly flawed policy! Or, at least, one that can backfire!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A seemingly flawed policy! Or, at least, one that can backfire!

Why is it flawed ?

Have we reached a stage in the sport now where it’s necessary for a club to have a rich billionaire behind them to spend his own money ?

 

[GB72]

Why is it flawed ?

Have we reached a stage in the sport now where it’s necessary for a club to have a rich billionaire behind them to spend his own money ?

Sadly, pretty much yes. Now we are at a stage where there is no outrage at £100 million for a player, the top performers are just going to be out of reach of those clubs without owners who are going ot dip into deep pockets. Bellingham is a fine example, Liverpool have a choice of that signing or a few alternatives whereas the big spending owners would look to do both.

 

[Beezerk]

Sadly, pretty much yes. Now we are at a stage where there is no outrage at £100 million for a player, the top performers are just going to be out of reach of those clubs without owners who are going ot dip into deep pockets. Bellingham is a fine example, Liverpool have a choice of that signing or a few alternatives whereas the big spending owners would look to do both.

Certainly brings a new meaning to the phrase…poor old Liverpool