The all things EV chat thread

[road2ruin]

Will that all happen automatically, smart charging, or will you need smart owners to buy smart chargers and work out how to do it? I'm hoping it's the former, most people are lazy and don't want to go into detail to work things out.

I think the majority of EV chargers are smart however even if they’re not you can schedule charging from the car so it draws power at a certain time. Mine is a smart charger and setting it takes 30 seconds on the app. Tell it what time to start charging and what time to end. Only have to set it once and it’ll charge every time the car is plugged in.

 

[PJ87]

Will that all happen automatically, smart charging, or will you need smart owners to buy smart chargers and work out how to do it? I'm hoping it's the former, most people are lazy and don't want to go into detail to work things out.

I read the link, quite a bit of woolly stuff there. I'm not anti, I'm happy to go this route, but there is still a lot of wing and a prayer in this if you are looking at major changes.

So all new chargers have to be smart

My charger for example I've set to only come on in my cheap hours which means my cjsrger never charges in the peak (unless I overide it)

The intelligent tariff, plug in.. open app. Press charge and that's it they map your charge

Newer chargers talk to the car itself

All changing every day

As you know I got my battery that comes online every day in cheap hours fills up and I'm running off it now (solar topped it up) to avoid any power cuts

 

[PJ87]

Would like to see the cost of new / second hand come down but in time I see it. Startly to creep down.. but wasn't helped by the grant being scrapped

Eyeing up my next EV , narrowed down to mg zs , 33k for long range or (my preferred choice) Kia niro ev £37k starting I believe .. both 285 miles roughly (respectable) the mg I can get a lot cheaper by dropping range but I want that longer one for my personal choice . The Kia I would pay slightly more for the options I want so 40k .. (but the mg I'd want is the model above like the Kia so would be 35 and 40 between my choices)

Both of these come with 7 year warranty which is amazing tbh

I found a second hand Kia 27k , 3 years old 35000 miles with a 4 year warranty. Tbh that's outstanding .. the warranty alone I'd be tempted for because of peace of mind with second hand

For me not just price in a car it's the warranty, take the Corsa a rubbish 3 year warranty.. people don't trust EV and their right not to. Its a new tech. The battery is 8 years warranty however if manufacturers offered 7 years as standard warranty on a product they charging above the average wage for they would sell more imo

Also I think more people would trust second hand if it came with 3-4 years warranty left on it ..

Who's buying expensive teslas 3 years old with 1 year warranty left on car itself it's a risk compared for the price you pay

Where as I'd gladly pay 40k for a Kia and keep it minimum 7 years then demote it to my second car and replace the Alhambra. Which since November has done 300 whole Miles lol

 

[fundy]

I found a second hand Kia 27k , 3 years old 35000 miles with a 4 year warranty.

Thats pretty much how Ive bought my last 2 cars, a 3 year old Ceed for 5K and this time a 2 year old Stonic for 11K. How much is the electric equivalent currently?

 

[PJ87]

I found a second hand Kia 27k , 3 years old 35000 miles with a 4 year warranty.

Thats pretty much how Ive bought my last 2 cars, a 3 year old Ceed for 5K and this time a 2 year old Stonic for 11K. How much is the electric equivalent currently?

I litterally posted the price in what you quoted for the Kia but that's the long range.

https://used-uk.kia.com/used-car-de...or-ev---automatic-electric/id-96011416102524/

Used soul £15k (small range)

https://www.glynhopkin.com/nissan/u...ntract Purchase&finances[annualMileage]=10000

The leaf is fantastic value here £16k .. (in relation to others)

https://www.glynhopkin.com/nissan/u...ntract Purchase&finances[annualMileage]=10000

More expensive (25k) for the 62kw battery top of range .. in relation to the 40kw posted previous

I'd favour the Kia for the extended warranty

 

[fundy]

You think 27K for a 3 year old Kia is outstanding? when you can buy a petrol one for less than half the price?

How many buyers in the 2nd hand car market have 27k to spend?

 

[PJ87]

You think 27K for a 3 year old Kia is outstanding? when you can buy a petrol one for less than half the price?

How many buyers in the 2nd hand car market have 27k to spend?

Its all relative. 40k for a new one is ok considering 2018 I paid 27k for a brand new honda petrol just shows prices arent as far off

Tesla are reducing prices which will trickle down aswell

The point isn't just 27k as a price being outstanding it's being with a 4 year warranty to back it up

People worry about the reliability of a second hand ev but with a 4 year warranty that's much less of a worry.

Batteries are guaranteed for 70-80% capacity in 8 years aswell so if there was a drop off it would be replaced under warranty

100% battery is 285% , if it dropped to 70% would be 199 miles which is still a very good range whilst you await a replacement battery

Prices are dropping and looking around at new prices they are getting closer

Leafs are £28,900 brand new a ford focus is £26000 brand new

Those are two comparable cars in the new market and they are very very close now ..

However second hand prices is where the difference is as EVs have been holding their value better

 

[fundy]

Its all relative. 40k for a new one is ok considering 2018 I paid 27k for a brand new honda petrol just shows prices arent as far off

Tesla are reducing prices which will trickle down aswell

The point isn't just 27k as a price being outstanding it's being with a 4 year warranty to back it up

People worry about the reliability of a second hand ev but with a 4 year warranty that's much less of a worry.

Batteries are guaranteed for 70-80% capacity in 8 years aswell so if there was a drop off it would be replaced under warranty

100% battery is 285% , if it dropped to 70% would be 199 miles which is still a very good range whilst you await a replacement battery

Prices are dropping and looking around at new prices they are getting closer

Leafs are £28,900 brand new a ford focus is £26000 brand new

Those are two comparable cars in the new market and they are very very close now ..

However second hand prices is where the difference is as EVs have been holding their value better

Correct it is relative, and 27k is just way out of the ball park for most 2nd hand car buyers who simply will continue to buy petrol/diesel models until 2nd hand electric cars get far far cheaper

Also, re the bolded point, my 2 year old 11k Stonic had 5 years of warranty left when I bought it, KIAs have has those warrantys for a long time, you dont have to pay 27k to get one!

 

[PJ87]

Correct it is relative, and 27k is just way out of the ball park for most 2nd hand car buyers who simply will continue to buy petrol/diesel models until 2nd hand electric cars get far far cheaper

Also, re the bolded point, my 2 year old 11k Stonic had 5 years of warranty left when I bought it, KIAs have has those warrantys for a long time, you dont have to pay 27k to get one!

The point wasn't the cost to get 7 year tho it's the fact that people like Kia, Hyundai and mg are offering 7 years which makes them more attractive to people

I mean im seriously looking at the Kia niro £10k down. £500pm for 3 years .. I pay £275 a month ATM for something smaller

For that cost once bought at end I have 7 years of motoring backed by a warranty

Thats about 6k a year for 7 years and even less if I keep it longer

Would be more than happy with that.

 

[jim8flog]

 

[bobmac]

I found a second hand Kia 27k , 3 years old 35000 miles with a 4 year warranty.

Thats pretty much how Ive bought my last 2 cars, a 3 year old Ceed for 5K and this time a 2 year old Stonic for 11K. How much is the electric equivalent currently?

I'm confused.
The cheapest 2019 Ceed I can find on Autotrader is almost £9k and that's with over 88,000 miles on the clock and the cheapest 2020 Stonic starts at £15k and the cheapest 2019 Kia Niro is £24k.
And that's just the purchase price not taking into consideration fuel cost, servicing, congestion charge, road tax...it all adds up.

How many buyers in the 2nd hand car market have 27k to spend?

You can get a 2019 Tesla model 3 for £24,400, a 2020 MG Zs for £17,750 or a 2012 Nissan Leaf for £4,750

I think if car dealers could sell EVs and the equivalent petrol/diesel cars for the same price, they wouldn't shift many ICE cars.

Once the new battery technology kicks in which I'm guessing will be the sodium-ion battery, prices will drop as they contain no Cobalt, nickel or Lithium.

 

[Neilds]

Just read an article which states there are now 30 EVs for every public charging point and the government will miss their target of installing 300,000 more chargers by 2030 by 20 years! No wonder people are put off with charging anxiety

 

[Deleted member 29109]

How many buyers in the 2nd hand car market have 27k to spend?

There are 43k second hand cars for sale on Pistonheads between £25k and £100k. Which would suggest quite a few people do.

 

[PJ87]

Just read an article which states there are now 30 EVs for every public charging point and the government will miss their target of installing 300,000 more chargers by 2030 by 20 years! No wonder people are put off with charging anxiety

Government missing targets and failing to invest in the future shocker.

 

[bobmac]

Just read an article which states there are now 30 EVs for every public charging point and the government will miss their target of installing 300,000 more chargers by 2030 by 20 years! No wonder people are put off with charging anxiety

So why is the demand for EVs climbing so fast?
I'll tell you why.
The majority of people changing to EVs will be able to charge at home so won't need 300,000 new public chargers.
Is the charging infrastructure growing fast enough? No, but to suggest 300,000 new chargers in 7 years is a ludicrous target, and was never going to be achievable.
Even at todays rate of 923 new chargers per month, that would get nowhere near it.
I do think 100,000 new chargers will be more realistic

 

[bobmac]

Just read an article which states there are now 30 EVs for every public charging point and the government will miss their target of installing 300,000 more chargers by 2030 by 20 years! No wonder people are put off with charging anxiety

Rubbish
660,000 EVs....61,487 chargers =10.7 cars per charger.
There are however 30 EVs per location....not charger.
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

 

[Slime]

Government missing targets and failing to invest in the future shocker.

So, not political at all.

 

[road2ruin]

Rubbish
660,000 EVs....61,487 chargers =10.7 cars per charger.
There are however 30 EVs per location....not charger.
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

The issue with the present charging network is not so much the slow roll out of new chargers it is the reliability of the existing ones. I'm lucky in that I don't have to visit them very much however on the odd occasion I do it is very rare that they're all working. On the FB groups for i5 owners I am on that is the main gripe, more so than the lack of chargers. If those who are responsible for the upkeep of those already 'working' cannot be trusted to do that how are they going to cope with another 100,000 or whatever. As things stand I would definitely not be an EV owner if I were relying on the public network.

 

[bobmac]

The issue with the present charging network is not so much the slow roll out of new chargers it is the reliability of the existing ones. I'm lucky in that I don't have to visit them very much however on the odd occasion I do it is very rare that they're all working. On the FB groups for i5 owners I am on that is the main gripe, more so than the lack of chargers. If those who are responsible for the upkeep of those already 'working' cannot be trusted to do that how are they going to cope with another 100,000 or whatever. As things stand I would definitely not be an EV owner if I were relying on the public network.

Totally agree.
That's where Tesla are so far ahead.
I think the biggest problem is everyone seems to want cheap, affordable, long range EVs that can tow, charge in 5 minutes, with batteries that last forever and a charging point on every street corner and they want it yesterday.
It's not going to happen.
A modicum of patience is required and if an EV doesn't suit your life style at the moment, keep buying ICE cars until it does.

 

[Neilds]

Rubbish
660,000 EVs....61,487 chargers =10.7 cars per charger.
There are however 30 EVs per location....not charger.
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

Not rubbish - I really did read it!

However, the main point, more people will read an article in the 'popular' media on the internet than dig in to a specialist site on the subject. This will form their views and lead to the anxiety that they won't be able to charge their car when they need to. Also, the vast majority of people who are looking to buy EVs now will be able able to charge at home, but what about the huge number of people in flats, with no drives, etc who can't charge at home and therefore would rely on public chargers?