Plug In Hybrid Cars - Experiences?

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EV charging points are being installed at the rate of around 500 per month.
There are currently over 31,000 charging points in the UK so at the current rate, by 2030 that will bring the total up to around 91,000.

HID goes to Tescos* shopping.
Plugs in at the car park.
Does the shopping while the car gets charged FREE.
Finishes shopping, unplugs, drives home.
I'd call that safe and convenient.

*Other supermarkets are available

https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging

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Bob, let me say straight off ( I may have given the wrong impression ?),
that I am in favour of electric cars. I also believe that they will replace IC cars almost completely .
But I don't believe it will happen, or can happen, until battery technology improves along the lines I have suggested, or similar.
And I do believe they will miniaturise the batteries.
Charging points, as above, and in the street etc will never be in sufficient numbers to cope.
Imagine all IC cars you see now were electric. No way could/would they be charged "safely and conveniently"
Whenever I go Tescos now, I do not refuel there because their pumps are always rammed. How much longer does it take to charge an electric car as against a petrol or diesel?
 

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Following the last few posts I thought I'd check out a new Morrison's supermarket that is being built next to my factory. A disused piece of land, a blank canvas. A Morrison's, petrol station, coffee outlet, 3 large retail units. The builders will finish this week and hand it over to Morrison's for fitting out. There will be 370 parking spaces in the newly laid car park.

How many charging points to deliver this brave new world? 2. Yup, 2.

Those 2 are the only 2 in that town although the council are investigating installing another 2 in a council car park. In the town where I live, capital of the county, I think we have 4 charging points. 2 definitely, 4 possibly.

Bob rightly posted a picture of a supermarket car park abroad with lines of chargers as the possible future. If a brand new supermarket here is only installing 2, cheaper and easier now when building than after market, then how can we be serious about going full electric? People wont truly think about going electric until they see the infrastructure in place.
 

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Following the last few posts I thought I'd check out a new Morrison's supermarket that is being built next to my factory. A disused piece of land, a blank canvas. A Morrison's, petrol station, coffee outlet, 3 large retail units. The builders will finish this week and hand it over to Morrison's for fitting out. There will be 370 parking spaces in the newly laid car park.

How many charging points to deliver this brave new world? 2. Yup, 2.

Those 2 are the only 2 in that town although the council are investigating installing another 2 in a council car park. In the town where I live, capital of the county, I think we have 4 charging points. 2 definitely, 4 possibly.

Bob rightly posted a picture of a supermarket car park abroad with lines of chargers as the possible future. If a brand new supermarket here is only installing 2, cheaper and easier now when building than after market, then how can we be serious about going full electric? People wont truly think about going electric until they see the infrastructure in place.
Yes this for me .
I would like an EV .
But am not convinced by the amount of chargers.
I hope it changes but I can’t see it.
 

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Yes this for me .
I would like an EV .
But am not convinced by the amount of chargers.
I hope it changes but I can’t see it.
It's frustrating really. The govt are pushing the consumer down a certain path but without the set up required. The words are there but the action is not. Giving a deadline for the end of fossil fuel cars is fine and easy but they don't seem to want to do the hard bit which is installing charge points and having the power generation to service them.
 

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Imagine all IC cars you see now were electric. No way could/would they be charged "safely and conveniently"
Whenever I go Tescos now, I do not refuel there because their pumps are always rammed. How much longer does it take to charge an electric car as against a petrol or diesel?

You arrive at Tesco at 1pm
You park and plug in. FREE
You shop for 30 mins.
You unplug and drive away at 1.30.

If you were in an ICE car how long would you queue at the rammed garage to BUY your petrol/diesel at £6 a gallon for extremely flammable fuel.
 

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You arrive at Tesco at 1pm
You park and plug in. FREE
You shop for 30 mins.
You unplug and drive away at 1.30.

If you were in an ICE car how long would you queue at the rammed garage to BUY your petrol/diesel at £6 a gallon for extremely flammable fuel.
I'm not very clued up on this Bob...
How much charge would you get from 1/2 an hour's plug in time..?
 

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You arrive at Tesco at 1pm
You park and plug in. FREE
You shop for 30 mins.
You unplug and drive away at 1.30.

If you were in an ICE car how long would you queue at the rammed garage to BUY your petrol/diesel at £6 a gallon for extremely flammable fuel.
Shopping in Tesco is a 2 1/2 hr nightmare for me .
My missus knows everyone so we spend half the time talking.
Do they charge after the free 30 mins?
 

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It's frustrating really. The govt are pushing the consumer down a certain path but without the set up required. The words are there but the action is not. Giving a deadline for the end of fossil fuel cars is fine and easy but they don't seem to want to do the hard bit which is installing charge points and having the power generation to service them.

The Government has given a deadline for the end of selling new ICE cars.
Buy a fossil car before the deadline and keep it as long as you want.

In 10 years time, EVs will be cheaper to buy, will have 300+ mile range and there will be 100,000 charging points.
Plus, they will be charged with clean renewable energy which won't run out, (unlike oil and gas), ZERO emmissios and fun/fast to drive.
And if you have solar panels at home.........free fuel.
 

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I'm not very clued up on this Bob...
How much charge would you get from 1/2 an hour's plug in time..?

Not that we've ever charged ours away from home but my understanding is that you can get 80% charge in about 40 minutes
 

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I'm not very clued up on this Bob...
How much charge would you get from 1/2 an hour's plug in time..?

It depends on which charger you use and what size battery you have.
The 7kwh FREE charger will add about 30 miles to a Nissan Leaf in 30 minutes.
That's a free gallon of petrol.
The bigger faster 50kwh charger costs money but you get more charge faster.
Still nowhere near £6 a gallon.

Then you go to B&Q and get another gallon, then you go to Starbucks and get another gallon etc.

As I've said before, if you're doind 300 miles a day regularily, maybe wait a year or 2
 

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Those 2 are the only 2 in that town although the council are investigating installing another 2 in a council car park. In the town where I live, capital of the county, I think we have 4 charging points. 2 definitely, 4 possibly.

Assuming you're in Morpeth, a quick search on Zap Map shows........

https://www.zap-map.com/locations/morpeth-charging-points/

Stanley TerraceMorpeth
Northumberland
NE61 1PA1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Morpeth Station Car ParkCoopies Lane
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 6JN2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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County HallFront Car Park
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 2EF3 x 3kW 13A 3-Square pin
5 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
4 x 22kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Grandstand Services A192Fairmoor
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 3JN2 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
2 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)InstaVolt
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Northgate HospitalMorpeth
Northumberland
NE61 3BP2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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Stannington ServicesStannington
Great North Road
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 6DR1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Wansbeck WorkspaceWansbeck Business Park
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 8QZ6 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesPOLAR
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Lidl BedlingtonSchalksmuhle Road
Bedlington
Northumberland
NE22 6BP1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Pod Point
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Rear Front Street Car ParkWest End Front Street
Bedlington
Northumberland
NE22 5UD1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Northumberland County Council DepotWest Terrace
A1147
Choppington
Northumberland
NE62 5TR2 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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Rutherford Cancer Centre North EastBedlington
Northumberland
NE22 7FD2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
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Station Yard Car ParkKenilworth Road
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 8AA1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Beacon Hill FarmLonghorsley
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE65 8QW1 x 7kW 32A Tesla Type 2Tesla Destination
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Ashington Leisure CentreAshington
Northumberland
NE63 9JY2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesPod Point
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Wansbeck General Hospital (A&E Department)Woodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ10 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Wansbeck General Hospital (East Wing)Woodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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Wansbeck HospitalWoodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
8 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
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Atley WayBaker Hughes
North Nelson Industrial Park
Cramlington
Northumberland
NE23 1WW3 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
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Ashwood Business ParkOakwood Way
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 0XF2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesEV Charge.Online
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Northumberlandia1 Blagdon Lane
Cramlington
Northumberland
NE23 8AU1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Not counting Morrisons ;)
 

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One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is the potential/future of the electric car.

How the range will improve, the styling will improve, there will be more models available, the infrastructure will expand, the battery technology will continue to evolve, charging times will be cut as bigger and faster chargers come online and the cost of the cars themselves will reach parity with ICE cars and eventually become cheaper.
No more CO2 belched into the air we breathe and no more fracking required.
No more reliance on the oil producing countries.
An exciting future and the first revolution in our transport system in about 100 years.

The interesting future of the ICE car is Apple play on the new infotainment centre and reversing sensors. :rolleyes:
 

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Assuming you're in Morpeth, a quick search on Zap Map shows........

https://www.zap-map.com/locations/morpeth-charging-points/

Stanley TerraceMorpeth
Northumberland
NE61 1PA1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_00da.png

Morpeth Station Car ParkCoopies Lane
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 6JN2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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County HallFront Car Park
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 2EF3 x 3kW 13A 3-Square pin
5 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
4 x 22kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_sfda.png

Grandstand Services A192Fairmoor
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 3JN2 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
2 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)InstaVolt
xxxxxxxxxxx_00d0.png

Northgate HospitalMorpeth
Northumberland
NE61 3BP2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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Stannington ServicesStannington
Great North Road
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE61 6DR1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_00da.png

Wansbeck WorkspaceWansbeck Business Park
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 8QZ6 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesPOLAR
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Lidl BedlingtonSchalksmuhle Road
Bedlington
Northumberland
NE22 6BP1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Pod Point
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Rear Front Street Car ParkWest End Front Street
Bedlington
Northumberland
NE22 5UD1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_00da.png

Northumberland County Council DepotWest Terrace
A1147
Choppington
Northumberland
NE62 5TR2 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
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Rutherford Cancer Centre North EastBedlington
Northumberland
NE22 7FD2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Station Yard Car ParkKenilworth Road
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 8AA1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_00da.png

Beacon Hill FarmLonghorsley
Morpeth
Northumberland
NE65 8QW1 x 7kW 32A Tesla Type 2Tesla Destination
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Ashington Leisure CentreAshington
Northumberland
NE63 9JY2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesPod Point
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Wansbeck General Hospital (A&E Department)Woodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ10 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_0fda.png

Wansbeck General Hospital (East Wing)Woodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesCharge Your Car
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Wansbeck HospitalWoodhorn Lane
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9JJ2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
8 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Atley WayBaker Hughes
North Nelson Industrial Park
Cramlington
Northumberland
NE23 1WW3 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 22kW 32A Type 2 MennekesHubsta
xxxxxxxxxxx_0f00.png

Ashwood Business ParkOakwood Way
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 0XF2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 MennekesEV Charge.Online
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Northumberlandia1 Blagdon Lane
Cramlington
Northumberland
NE23 8AU1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes
1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)Charge Your Car
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Not counting Morrisons ;)
The reality of that list is 4 are in central Morpeth and of any use to most people. Most of those you quote are completely different towns that come under the morpeth postal area. You wouldn't want to be walking to any of them from morpeth, that's for sure.

The station, hospital, county hall and garage are all on the periphery of the town. The garage is isolated and if you are charging there you really are on empty as there is nothing to occupy your time with.

The station has 2. People park there, plug in, get the train to Newcastle, Edinburgh, York, London etc and come back that evening. Two chargers but inevitably hogged by two cars only every day.

County hall has 12 from your numbers. Best numbers but the building employs 900-1,200 per day, has a huge car park. That must be some race every morning to catch one of them.

Clearly more than I thought but that's largely because they are not in central locations and are in places most people don't go to. The town has two major car parks, inc Morrison's, and they house the 4 that are of general use. 4 is nothing in a town of this size. I admire your drive on this but the numbers above wouldn't persuade anyone to go electric, quite the opposite.
 

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One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is the potential/future of the electric car.

How the range will improve, the styling will improve, there will be more models available, the infrastructure will expand, the battery technology will continue to evolve, charging times will be cut as bigger and faster chargers come online and the cost of the cars themselves will reach parity with ICE cars and eventually become cheaper.
No more CO2 belched into the air we breathe and no more fracking required.
No more reliance on the oil producing countries.
An exciting future and the first revolution in our transport system in about 100 years.

The interesting future of the ICE car is Apple play on the new infotainment centre and reversing sensors. :rolleyes:
Have you seen this one? A proper Tesla rival

https://www.polestar.com/uk/polestar-2/
 

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Not that we've ever charged ours away from home but my understanding is that you can get 80% charge in about 40 minutes

You can out of a "rapid" charger Chris. Service areas have them. Pull up, plug in, have a coffee and a burger, half an hour later you are at 80% charge (max it can put in).
Peugeot have just launched the e208 and e2008 all electrics. Range (supposedly) of 217 and 211 respectively. Both of them are great looking cars, and we are getting a lot of interest in them.
My experience with Nissan, and the LEAF, tells me that the main problem (apart from range anxiety from the prospective purchaser) is the infrastructure. We had loads of LEAF customers complaining that charging points were out of action, leaving them stranded.
But that was 3 or 4 years ago, hopefully things have improved since then.
Batteries and range will improve too.
It won't be too long before 500 range is the norm.
Then watch sales take off.
 

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You can out of a "rapid" charger Chris. Service areas have them. Pull up, plug in, have a coffee and a burger, half an hour later you are at 80% charge (max it can put in).
Peugeot have just launched the e208 and e2008 all electrics. Range (supposedly) of 217 and 211 respectively. Both of them are great looking cars, and we are getting a lot of interest in them.
My experience with Nissan, and the LEAF, tells me that the main problem (apart from range anxiety from the prospective purchaser) is the infrastructure. We had loads of LEAF customers complaining that charging points were out of action, leaving them stranded.
But that was 3 or 4 years ago, hopefully things have improved since then.
Batteries and range will improve too.
It won't be too long before 500 range is the norm.
Then watch sales take off.

In 2015 there were about 9,500 charging points
Currently, there are 31,183 charging points.
Not enough yet as LTyrion points out but it won't be long.
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/
 
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