(Sorry this has been done to death) The solution to slow play is slow play

[Whereditgo]

People already have the tee time on their card when they pick it up

Then when someone finishes they pop into the pro shop and let them know they are finished and the pro notes the time down

When im closing the comp i will then look at the timings and see if there are any obvious clear gaps - a group coming in 30 mins behind another or even more for example.

Over the months you will see if their is any pattern forming with specific offenders and then look to tackle it - first ask them the reasons why - if the reasons arent acceptable then sanctions would be applied - warnings etc

We have already given 3 people a warning after they were found to have lost 45 mins - 4 holes on the group in front and were holding up the entire field behind them

All well and good issuing warnings based I the timings from the computer but no mention of exploring extenuating circumstances or given the culprits a chance to explain. Seems a tad big brother and somewhat heavy handed

Really?

 

[Slab]

All well and good issuing warnings based I the timings from the computer but no mention of exploring extenuating circumstances or given the culprits a chance to explain. Seems a tad big brother and somewhat heavy handed

Isn't it pretty safe to assume that the offenders didn't just get warnings without any investigation taking place, why would you think otherwise

 

[pokerjoke]

All well and good issuing warnings based I the timings from the computer but no mention of exploring extenuating circumstances or given the culprits a chance to explain. Seems a tad big brother and somewhat heavy handed

Yes there is you just failed to read it properly.
Phil clearly states[first ask them the reasons why].

I must admit over the last few weeks though Phil you have mentioned a few problems at your course,seems like a course to stay away from until they are sorted.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes there is you just failed to read it properly.
Phil clearly states[first ask them the reasons why].

I must admit over the last few weeks though Phil you have mentioned a few problems at your course,seems like a course to stay away from until they are sorted.

Not really - dont think it would be any different at most courses. We have had an influx of members over the past 12 months and the weekends and comps has made the course very busy at times with only small incidents causing issues. Being on committee and especially comps i get to hear every whinge and gripe from people.

 

[Green Man]

I'm glad I don't play at some of the courses mentioned by posters on here. We were complaining about how slow our comp was on Sunday. Seemed to be waiting on every shot and all the groups around us asking what the hold up was. We finished in 3h 40m for a 3 ball.

I would say on average a normal 3 ball in a comp takes 3h15 to 3h 30. This is for a Par 70 6300 yard course.

I think the best way to combat slow play is to have constant reminders around the course. Target times printed on the card for a 2,3,4 ball and little signs on tee boxes stating how long you should have been playing to reach this point as well as marshall's going around telling people to catch up to the game in front.

 

[Midnight]

People already have the tee time on their card when they pick it up

Then when someone finishes they pop into the pro shop and let them know they are finished and the pro notes the time down

When im closing the comp i will then look at the timings and see if there are any obvious clear gaps - a group coming in 30 mins behind another or even more for example.

Over the months you will see if their is any pattern forming with specific offenders and then look to tackle it - first ask them the reasons why - if the reasons arent acceptable then sanctions would be applied - warnings etc

We have already given 3 people a warning after they were found to have lost 45 mins - 4 holes on the group in front and were holding up the entire field behind them

Cheers for explaining the process mate. Have you found that since the warnings or explaining it to the people, that it has made a difference? Or is it too soon to say yet ?

Sorry to keep picking on you but without going thru every post , you seem to be the person that is at club that has attempted to try and make the issue less.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cheers for explaining the process mate. Have you found that since the warnings or explaining it to the people, that it has made a difference? Or is it too soon to say yet ?

Sorry to keep picking on you but without going thru every post , you seem to be the person that is at club that has attempted to try and make the issue less.

The timings havent started yet - it will be the next stage after communicating out the R&A guidelines.

The three that have been warning where from two comps where they clearly lost multiple holes and lots of reports of slow play about the three. The first warning was just a general "please make yourself aware of these guidelines" and why they are been given the warning.

If things don't improve over the next month or so then the timings will be implemented. I'm hoping the threat will enough for people to consider the pace they play at.

 

[dufferman]

I'm glad I don't play at some of the courses mentioned by posters on here. We were complaining about how slow our comp was on Sunday. Seemed to be waiting on every shot and all the groups around us asking what the hold up was. We finished in 3h 40m for a 3 ball.

I would say on average a normal 3 ball in a comp takes 3h15 to 3h 30. This is for a Par 70 6300 yard course.

I think the best way to combat slow play is to have constant reminders around the course. Target times printed on the card for a 2,3,4 ball and little signs on tee boxes stating how long you should have been playing to reach this point as well as marshall's going around telling people to catch up to the game in front.

You say constant reminders, but they do nothing. We have a board on the 7th & 13th with times it should have taken, and often we just laugh at it. If some idiot who doesn't care for anyone else on the course sees he's / she's 45 mins behind the suggested pace, are they REALLY going to pick up pace? We also have boards on the 7th & 11th holes to ring the bell once fairway is clear, I can't tell you the amount of times we've waited 10 mins just to see the group appear on the next tee without ringing the bell.

People are idiots. The solution needs to be more than a polite reminder which everyone can ignore.

 

[GB72]

That to me is the main problem, polite reminders do not work. At my place the worst offenders are all very much part of the establishment and treat the course like they own it. They know what they are doing, you can tell that from the odd dash to the next tee when the group behind is getting into range to ask to play through. Trouble is that the club will do nothing, hell some of the offenders are those that you would ask to take action against someone else.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That to me is the main problem, polite reminders do not work. At my place the worst offenders are all very much part of the establishment and treat the course like they own it. They know what they are doing, you can tell that from the odd dash to the next tee when the group behind is getting into range to ask to play through. Trouble is that the club will do nothing, hell some of the offenders are those that you would ask to take action against someone else.

Our first step last year was putting the timings on each hole on the card - the membership was told it was the timings for a 3 ball medal or 4BBB or 4 ball social - it has made a few improvements. Think any club needs to go down the polite method first and then it's using a hammer and sanctions. People know they will come soon

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Sorry to LP as viewing on phone between interviews. However moving on from that and assuming once members get reported, what happens over and above the polite warning given?

Surely the club run the risk of potentially alienating these members, and others if the process continues, and will the point come when they will leave? Can any club really afford to be upsetting the membership to that degree. I'm sure this is worse case scenario but what if they stop playing comes. At the end of the day we all pay reasonable chunks of money on a social activity and this seems to me at least, a way of making the whole thing less enjoyable

If there is really that big a problem with slow play at the club, I think the whole thing needs looking at rather than singling out individuals

 

[pokerjoke]

Our first step last year was putting the timings on each hole on the card - the membership was told it was the timings for a 3 ball medal or 4BBB or 4 ball social - it has made a few improvements. Think any club needs to go down the polite method first and then it's using a hammer and sanctions. People know they will come soon

Are you saying each hole had a time to complete I-e 10 minutes?

 

[pokerjoke]

Sorry to LP as viewing on phone between interviews. However moving on from that and assuming once members get reported, what happens over and above the polite warning given?

Surely the club run the risk of potentially alienating these members, and others if the process continues, and will the point come when they will leave? Can any club really afford to be upsetting the membership to that degree. I'm sure this is worse case scenario but what if they stop playing comes. At the end of the day we all pay reasonable chunks of money on a social activity and this seems to me at least, a way of making the whole thing less enjoyable

If there is really that big a problem with slow play at the club, I think the whole thing needs looking at rather than singling out individuals

Once again you failed to read the post correctly it clearly says the whole field timings are looked at and then re-peat offenders are approached where they are asked why its happening.
Concentrate on your interviews and have a bit of respect for the candidates

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you saying each hole had a time to complete I-e 10 minutes?

On the card it has the time you are expected to have finished that hole totally 4 hours for each round and it includes the walking in between. So as an example after 12 holes it says 2:45 next to it so you should have gone through 12 holes in 2:45 ( figure not exactly correct of the top of my head )

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Once again you failed to read the post correctly it clearly says the whole field timings are looked at and then re-peat offenders are approached where they are asked why its happening.
Concentrate on your interviews and have a bit of respect for the candidates

Would do if they'd bother turning up

 

[pokerjoke]

On the card it has the time you are expected to have finished that hole totally 4 hours for each round and it includes the walking in between. So as an example after 12 holes it says 2:45 next to it so you should have gone through 12 holes in 2:45 ( figure not exactly correct of the top of my head )

I get it now I have seen it on a few courses.
I remember playing with you at that WSM course where it had a sign and I remember not even batting an eyelid at it because it really seemed irrelevant as you can only go as fast as the group in front.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I get it now I have seen it on a few courses.
I remember playing with you at that WSM course where it had a sign and I remember not even batting an eyelid at it because it really seemed irrelevant as you can only go as fast as the group in front.

It seems to have gone done well with most members but we will continue to monitor to see how it goes

 

[pokerjoke]

Would do if they'd bother turning up

Perhaps they have heard who the interviewer is

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Once again you failed to read the post correctly it clearly says the whole field timings are looked at and then re-peat offenders are approached where they are asked why its happening.
Concentrate on your interviews and have a bit of respect for the candidates

I get all that but as I said, we all pay chuncks of cash for a social acitivity and I am just wondering at what point members start getting annoyed at being approached and sanctioned and decide not to play in comps or even leave the club. I thought it was a simple enough question. Yet again you find it a reason to pick fault (for the umpteenth time in recent months).

 

[Whereditgo]

I've seen this on cards at numerous courses in Europe, possibly taken notice of more by visitors than members though, who, without regular gentle reminders may stop checking progress against the target times?