(Sorry this has been done to death) The solution to slow play is slow play

[Whereditgo]

I get all that but as I said, we all pay chuncks of cash for a social acitivity and I am just wondering at what point members start getting annoyed at being approached and sanctioned and decide not to play in comps or even leave the club. I thought it was a simple enough question. Yet again you find it a reason to pick fault (for the umpteenth time in recent months).

Maybe it is for the club to weigh the risk of losing one or two members who are brought to task over persistent slow play against the risk of losing many members who get frustrated and being able to attract new members?

 

[Fish]

Maybe it is for the club to weigh the risk of losing one or two members who are brought to task over persistent slow play against the risk of losing many members who get frustrated and being able to attract new members?

But what if they don't leave and still play more slowly than the club committee or some members would like, do they (the club) refuse to give them specific tee times or be brave enough to blackball them completely and not accept their renewal membership, I can see some lawlers loving the opportunity to get stuck into that can of worms!

 

[Whereditgo]

But what if they don't leave and still play more slowly than the club committee or some members would like, do they (the club) refuse to give them specific tee times or be brave enough to blackball them completely and not accept their renewal membership, I can see some lawlers loving the opportunity to get stuck into that can of worms!

I wouldn't think that giving a group, or individuals, a specific tee time (at the back of the field in competitions for e.g.) that ensured they do not detract from the enjoyment of others would be unreasonable. Possibly the club would have to amend their Constitution to prevent it being challenged?

 

[Fish]

I wouldn't think that giving a group, or individuals, a specific tee time (at the back of the field in competitions for e.g.) that ensured they do not detract from the enjoyment of others would be unreasonable. Possibly the club would have to amend their Constitution to prevent it being challenged?

It would almost come across the same as "constructive dismissal" to me, in that, the club was deliberately making it difficult for the member, who in the past always tee'd off in the morning but now being told they had to tee off at say 2pm, I can't see that happening and could see it being challenged personally.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Maybe it is for the club to weigh the risk of losing one or two members who are brought to task over persistent slow play against the risk of losing many members who get frustrated and being able to attract new members?

If members continue to not heed the slow play warning given by the President they will be requested to book later tee times in competitions - if that still doesn't work then they will be suspended from competitions. The committee have the right to suspend people's right to play in comps - there is already a process in place for both non attendance and disciplinary which was passed at AGM

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If members continue to not heed the slow play warning given by the President they will be requested to book later tee times in competitions - if that still doesn't work then they will be suspended from competitions. The committee have the right to suspend people's right to play in comps - there is already a process in place for both non attendance and disciplinary which was passed at AGM

I accept all of that but people will eventually leave and I'm sure word of mouth about the vigorous policing will get around and it could put potential members off especially relatively new players worried they will play and then get sanctioned

 

[Hobbit]

I know people switch off when someone says back in the day.... Once upon a time slow play notices used to say something like if you were taking more than 3.5 hours in a four ball you were taking too long. Then it became 4 hours. Elsewhere in this thread someone talks about 4.5 hours being acceptable. And then goes onto say some people don't realise they are slow.

Jesus H Smith, if you think 4.5 hours on an average course is acceptable you are part of the problem.

 

[rickg]

I accept all of that but people will eventually leave and I'm sure word of mouth about the vigorous policing will get around and it could put potential members off especially relatively new players worried they will play and then get sanctioned

Or it could attract new members as word spreads that someone in the area is finally prepared to try and improve slow play.......
Get rid of slow players....attract non slow players.....win, win!

Lot of people on this thread who despise slow play, but are very quick to knock clubs that try and do something about it.

 

[upsidedown]

I know people switch off when someone says back in the day.... Once upon a time slow play notices used to say something like if you were taking more than 3.5 hours in a four ball you were taking too long. Then it became 4 hours. Elsewhere in this thread someone talks about 4.5 hours being acceptable. And then goes onto say some people don't realise they are slow.

Jesus H Smith, if you think 4.5 hours on an average course is acceptable you are part of the problem.

Hear hear , spot on Bri

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Or it could attract new members as word spreads that someone in the area is finally prepared to try and improve slow play.......
Get rid of slow players....attract non slow players.....win, win!

Lot of people on this thread who despise slow play, but are very quick to knock clubs that try and do something about it.

Again Rick I agree and applaud Woburn for their approach but if we're being realistic as a whole, how much has the pace of play changed in the last twenty years. I can see it causing issues especially when members get hit and then start arguing their case. It might work (hope it does) but can't see too many clubs following suit

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know people switch off when someone says back in the day.... Once upon a time slow play notices used to say something like if you were taking more than 3.5 hours in a four ball you were taking too long. Then it became 4 hours. Elsewhere in this thread someone talks about 4.5 hours being acceptable. And then goes onto say some people don't realise they are slow.

Jesus H Smith, if you think 4.5 hours on an average course is acceptable you are part of the problem.

Our old golf secretary used to go out in buggy in the 80's - if he saw that you were losing ground would give one warning - if not heeded within two hours would kick you off the course - any person playing a round longer than 3 and half hours had to explain themselves to him - if he wasn't happy with explanation - 1 month ban from comps - ruled the club with an iron fist

 

[Hobbit]

If members continue to not heed the slow play warning given by the President they will be requested to book later tee times in competitions - if that still doesn't work then they will be suspended from competitions. The committee have the right to suspend people's right to play in comps - there is already a process in place for both non attendance and disciplinary which was passed at AGM

Just apply slow play shot penalties. People don't want to post a nett 3 under only for it to become 1 over due to penalties. No ones stopping them from playing, even at their preferred time. As to hoards of people leaving, just how many culprits are there? Very few. And how many would leave and how many would stay? Imagine how many might join if they heard Hackers GC had improved the pace of play??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just apply slow play shot penalties. People don't want to post a nett 3 under only for it to become 1 over due to penalties. No ones stopping them from playing, even at their preferred time. As to hoards of people leaving, just how many culprits are there? Very few. And how many would leave and how many would stay? Imagine how many might join if they heard Hackers GC had improved the pace of play??

Not sure how it could be imposed without a proper Marshall on the course mate - that would be the perfect solution - having two Marshalls with the ability to impose penalties etc but it costs money. Getting one Marshall could be what we end up having to do as the course gets busier over summer

 

[rickg]

Again Rick I agree and applaud Woburnfor their approach but if we're being realistic as a whole, how much has the pace of play changed in the last twenty years. I can see it causing issues especially when members get hit and then start arguing their case. It might work (hope it does) but can't see too many clubs following suit

Think it's Leighton Buzzard

 

[3565]

Think it's Leighton Buzzard

Thank god for that, I'm playing Woburn end of June...... I'll give LB a wide berth.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thank god for that, I'm playing Woburn end of June...... I'll give LB a wide berth.

Why exactly ?

If you are going to Woburn end of June they double up the on course Marshalls and if you lose holes you are informed to catch up or pick up and move on.

 

[Green Man]

Thank god for that, I'm playing Woburn end of June...... I'll give LB a wide berth.

You want to avoid a club because they are trying to stop slow play?

 

[rickg]

You want to avoid a club because they are trying to stop slow play?

Unfortunately, people are arguing against the man instead of the ideas....sad really.

 

[Fish]

Unfortunately, people are arguing against the man instead of the ideas....sad really.

My issue with this is, LP is heading this crusade and yet at Woburn the marshal came up to our group and clearly stated that our 1st group was the main issue for us all being held up, which LP was in, as they hit the turn in 2hrs 29 minutes, so was our first group out held up and were they waiting on tees and approaches? Yet in a post on that thread it was stated by him "that they flew around the front 9", so, is this a typical case of slow players in denial or was the marshal lying, I don't accept the latter because the facts of the day was, we waited on every tee and every shot from the 2nd hole meaning we had a tortious 5hr round, and yet it's nobody's fault and everyone in every group was apparently up with the group in front!

Hmm, practice & preach springs to mind 🤔

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My issue with this is, LP is heading this crusade and yet at Woburn the marshal came up to our group and clearly stated that our 1st group was the main issue for us all being held up, which LP was in, as they hit the turn in 2hrs 29 minutes, so was our first group out held up and were they waiting on tees and approaches? Yet in a post on that thread it was stated by him "that they flew around the front 9", so, is this a typical case of slow players in denial or was the marshal lying, I don't accept the latter because the facts of the day was, we waited on every tee and every shot from the 2nd hole meaning we had a tortious 5hr round, and yet it's nobody's fault and everyone in every group was apparently up with the group in front!

Hmm, practice & preach springs to mind 🤔

Nope not going to go there