(Sorry this has been done to death) The solution to slow play is slow play

[patricks148]

The exception that proves the rule

But yeah you're right there will be the odd 'what if' anomalies like that if you play honour off the tee (remember they would also have to be last to putt as well for this to be true otherwise they should already be retrieving their bag) but again its not adding 30/60 minutes to a round

Just frustrating when its voiced as a primary reason of slow play

not necessarily last to putt and who walks of to get there bag if the others are still playing?? i see this type of behavior all the time, it might not cause the round to take an hour longer as you suggest but it certainly leads to losing ground on the group in front so gaps appearing in the field.

 

[3565]

How about having to sign out when you start your round, and sign in when finished?
agree standard times for 2 ball, 3 ball, 4 ball etc.
educate the offenders who consistently go over time, and for those who don't improve start to penalise them.

why not get the time and motion lot in, they'll sort it, have a clocking system after 6 holes, and if your over the allotted time you get disciplined in front of the committee............ Hang on it sounds like a working environment.

 

[pokerjoke]

It's not an exception though it's a regular occurence coupled with people not teeing off because it's not his "honour" despite the person whose "honour" it is being 100 yards behind still filling in the scorecard whilst walking

There is a reason why it's included in the R&A guidelines - because it's a common occurrence that does impact on the pace of play

100 yards behind
Blinkin heck Phil whats with all the exaggerating to make a point bigger than it is.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

100 yards behind
Blinkin heck Phil whats with all the exaggerating to make a point bigger than it is.

Not exaggerating - seen it plenty of times both at my course and others

 

[pokerjoke]

How about having to sign out when you start your round, and sign in when finished?
agree standard times for 2 ball, 3 ball, 4 ball etc.
educate the offenders who consistently go over time, and for those who don't improve start to penalise them.

The trouble with this idea is you will just get people blaming each other.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

why not get the time and motion lot in, they'll sort it, have a clocking system after 6 holes, and if your over the allotted time you get disciplined in front of the committee............ Hang on it sounds like a working environment.

Don't the pros not have to play to specific time and if they are seen to be breaching that then they suffer shot penalties ? Why can't there be some sort of penalty in the Amatuer game

 

[Slab]

not necessarily last to putt and who walks of to get there bag if the others are still playing?? i see this type of behavior all the time, it might not cause the round to take an hour longer as you suggest but it certainly leads to losing ground on the group in front so gaps appearing in the field.

How far away are these bags! I assumed they are greenside and I think anyone who has putted out should be doing something to speed up moving to the next tee while others are lining up, faffing with the line on their ball etc (obviously without being a distraction to others) Whether that's going towards retrieving your PW or bag or the flag if you're first out, ready golf isn't just being ready to take a shot

If they're just gawping at 2-3 others putting before making a move isn't that as impactfull as a bag in the wrong place

 

[pokerjoke]

Not exaggerating - seen it plenty of times both at my course and others

This would happen on the very rare occasion that a tee is a 100 yards from the previous green,then the other 3 players would have to walk to the tee before the other player has left the green.

We all know there are a hundred reasons for slow play and once again all the reasons are being posted but as has been mentioned a few times it will never change to the extent all good things happen on a golf course.

The key for me is keep up with the group in front without putting undue pressure on them and give yourself plenty of time to play a round.

I have played many times with players that moan about slow play generally because they are having a bad round and would rather be off the course and be somewhere else even if its back in the clubhouse having a cup of tea[so nowhere important] but cant help blame others for their crap play[blaming slow play].

 

[Slab]

It's not an exception though it's a regular occurence coupled with people not teeing off because it's not his "honour" despite the person whose "honour" it is being 100 yards behind still filling in the scorecard whilst walking

There is a reason why it's included in the R&A guidelines - because it's a common occurrence that does impact on the pace of play

100 yards behind! Honest to god I play a lot at resort courses and I don't see this

Some of you are at good standard members courses and the behaviours described on slow play threads seem dreadful in some cases

 

[Deleted member 15344]

100 yards behind! Honest to god I play a lot at resort courses and I don't see this

Some of you are at good standard members courses and the behaviours described on slow play threads seem dreadful in some cases

Yes the behaviour is dreadful - it is the minority but it impacts on the whole field on the day. We do have a couple of long walks inbetween tees and the actions between those holes does have an impact on the pace of play.

Consideration and common sense will be a big help in keeping the pace of play going on a course. Golf Monthly plus other magazines have started campaigns on pace of play as have the R&A - the reason why - because it's something that impacts on people's enjoyment of the game to the point some don't bother playing or even starting the game. A game of golf is a long time as it is without it being extended because others dont have consideration of other people on the course.

We can try something to encourage people to be more considerate whilst playing or we can just dismiss it and ignore it and watch it get worse. I know which I prefer

 

[chrisd]

Despite all that's spouted on here I have about one round in a dozen where the play is a little on the slow side. Generally a 4bbb, or 3 player stroke play comp is just short of 4 hours, I'm happy with that and I rarely, if ever, seen a game last more than 4 and a half hours

Woburn was, as I expected, a really slow couple of rounds and I fully expected that. Had the weather been better I'd have happily spent the time in idyllic surroundings.

 

[3565]

Do the Pros suffer from penalties? Think not somehow, and they are all still going round in 5hrs. You talk about amateurs copying the Pros with PSRs, 360* stalking, throwing grass up, visualising, until the governing bodies sort it out at the top and quicken them up your still going to have the same problem and it won't filter down to us.
How can you decifer who is to blame in a 3 ball medal for slow play? The 3hc or the 13, or 24hc?
That was the group I was in last week and we lost 2 holes to the group in front, but we didn't hold up the group behind nor was they waiting at any point during the round. Now theirs talk about anomalies and there is in this case when you got 3 differing catorgories playing together (my group) and the group in front are all Cat 1 players. Now i will let you decifer why we lost 2 holes and it doesn't take a genius to work it out. So penalising the group I was in would be harsh as it was a drawn comp which is controlled by the committee. Surely your not expecting 3 differing cats to keep up with a group from the same and better cat to keep up?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do the Pros suffer from penalties? Think not somehow, and they are all still going round in 5hrs. You talk about amateurs copying the Pros with PSRs, 360* stalking, throwing grass up, visualising, until the governing bodies sort it out at the top and quicken them up your still going to have the same problem and it won't filter down to us.
How can you decifer who is to blame in a 3 ball medal for slow play? The 3hc or the 13, or 24hc?
That was the group I was in last week and we lost 2 holes to the group in front, but we didn't hold up the group behind nor was they waiting at any point during the round. Now theirs talk about anomalies and there is in this case when you got 3 differing catorgories playing together (my group) and the group in front are all Cat 1 players. Now i will let you decifer why we lost 2 holes and it doesn't take a genius to work it out. So penalising the group I was in would be harsh as it was a drawn comp which is controlled by the committee. Surely your not expecting 3 differing cats to keep up with a group from the same and better cat to keep up?

So just do nothing then because the PGA do nothing ? Ignore everything and just let people play at what pace they want to play.

Do you have an ideas to help the pace of play to ensure as many enjoy their day as possible or just happy to keep on dismissing any ideas put forward

 

[3565]

Apart from the obvious normal duties as it were to speed up things up, bags left at the exit point, marking cards off the green, be prepared when it's your turn, limit your PSRs etc.... Give me something radical that will increase the speed and enjoyment for all?

I asked you a question about a scenario that happened yet you choose to ignore it and just want to, like you normally do is belittle people with your high n mighty agenda on slow play.

 

[chrisd]

Do you have an ideas to help the pace of play to ensure as many enjoy their day as possible

If you've 18 groups of people on a course,their enjoyment of a round may well be vastly different. Some want to wander round, enjoy the course, enjoy the golf and others want to go round as quickly as possible and get home or to the bar - nothing wrong with either, but not everyone get their enjoyment the same way!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apart from the obvious normal duties as it were to speed up things up, bags left at the exit point, marking cards off the green, be prepared when it's your turn, limit your PSRs etc.... Give me something radical that will increase the speed and enjoyment for all?

I asked you a question about a scenario that happened yet you choose to ignore it and just want to, like you normally do is belittle people with your high n mighty agenda on slow play.

Where did I belittle anyone ?

Lots of people have posted ideas about how to improve pace of play and there are lots of other ideas out there

It doesn't need to be "radical" - it just needs people to be aware and considerate - all the little things mentioned on here add up to help the pace of play.

You lost two holes when playing - why ? I wouldn't know because I didn't watch you play and I don't always believe it's linked to the HC of the players because we have all see low HC players take too long and high HC players take too long - it's not their HC that makes them play slow , it's their lack of understanding or condsideration of others on the course. If you are not holding anyone up - then there is no issue - if your actions have a queue of groups behind you then realise that and attempt to rectify the issue. It's awareness and consideration.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you've 18 groups of people on a course,their enjoyment of a round may well be vastly different. Some want to wander round, enjoy the course, enjoy the golf and others want to go round as quickly as possible and get home or to the bar - nothing wrong with either, but not everyone get their enjoyment the same way!

But what happens if your wandering around just enjoying the course enjoying yourself impacts on the people behind you and is holding them up - do you let them through and then you both continue to enjoy yourself or do you just concentrate on your own enjoyment and don't worry about the people behind you being impacted ?

 

[chrisd]

But what happens if your wandering around just enjoying the course enjoying yourself impacts on the people behind you and is holding them up - do you let them through and then you both continue to enjoy yourself or do you just concentrate on your own enjoyment and don't worry about the people behind you being impacted ?

I guess that 18 different groups filling up the course will all have their own answer - I wasn't talking about my own golf in the post.

 

[patricks148]

Its only a minority spoiling it for the rest where slow play in concerned.

One of the main problems is the slow ones don't Know or think they are slow. I know half a dozen guys at my club who are the worst offenders when it comes to slow play and none of them think they are slow.



Course marshals is the main one that would make a difference at my club.

 

[pokerjoke]

Phil i'm really interested in your ideas for helping with slow play wether world wide or on your course because for some slow play is a reason they dislike golf or don't play because it takes too long.

Most peoples problems like bags the wrong side of the green or PSR or marking cards on greens would actually only save minutes on a round which in all honesty makes little difference,no difference to a group going a whole round without needing to look for a ball to a group that's spends 5 minutes looking for one.

To me it would have to be the bigger picture where rounds are taking 4 1/2 to 5 hours instead of the 4 hours they should be taking.

I have played a few 5 hours round which I have actually enjoyed and a couple where its been so slow you stand there pulling your hair out.

One example was in a 4bbb comp and the problem was purely down to a backlog on a hole where it was too dangerous to tee off because the next tee was to close to the green,that obviously is poor course design.
The same as when you get tee's to close to greens where you have to wait for each other to play,these 2 scenario's will slow a whole course down a way sight more than any of the previous I mentioned so its not always the obvious one's that people think it is.

The only thing you can do is pass on your extensive knowledge to your playing partners and your club members and hope they adhere to basic rules of etiquette to keep things moving the best they can and then its up to people who see stuff on the course that could have an effect to educate others.