Orikoru
Tour Winner
I move the rake and it rolls down exactly where it would have gone if someone hadn't have left the bloody rake there!
Rake Placement in Bunker - Reader - I pulled up a FC
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robinthehood
Hacker
OMG....
Yes that's what might happen if you move the rake...You think it's ok to then just carry on playing from that spot ?
Jacko_G
Blackballed
So if you stop under the lip at the back you play out sideways, rub of the green. The ball can quite easily go under the lip at any point in a bunker. They're designed to penalize poor or inaccurate shots.
I bounced on a sprinkler head at the 11th at Mach Dunes last year, ball was never seen again by anyone. We heard it hit but goodness gracious me none of us saw it. Run of the green. Had to go back a reload.
Maybe I should suggest soft knitted covers over the sprinkler heads?
I bounced on a sprinkler head at the 11th at Mach Dunes last year, ball was never seen again by anyone. We heard it hit but goodness gracious me none of us saw it. Run of the green. Had to go back a reload.
Maybe I should suggest soft knitted covers over the sprinkler heads?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Why not? That's where it should have gone if somebody hadn't have left the rake in the way.
Not gonna lie, that is a brilliant idea. I would patent that before someone else does.
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
In the photo on the left I presume your "correct" position is the one with the head in the bunker and the handle leaning against the side? That would make sense and in a bunker that size it's probably how I would leave it too. I wouldn't tell someone to pick it up if they just threw it in the middle though!
robinthehood
Hacker
Ok what ever
Wolf
Well-known member
I'm sorry but that bunker is massive.
Firstly no way that pictures genuine more of a set up scenario because a ball rolling just enough to trickle in that would not get through that rough round the edge.
Secondly to leave the rake in middle and then get put just wouldn't work for me, you see I have this affliction of being vertically challenged so I don't have a long reach, therefore no way I could do it without either leaving footprints in the sand which is far worse than leaving the rake as its pictured as some one would moan I hadn't raked it 🙄, or I literally have to chuck it from outside which would likewise offend some Rupert. So if I played your course I be regularly getting letters submitted about my conduct.
Simple solution is leave the rakes outside the bunker. Or likewise accept its your own fault for sticking it in there in the first place. If I put it there and have to play out sideways or backwards that's not the rakes fault it's simply me taking my medicine for hitting a crap shot there in the first place..
Because that's the rules.. Its quite simple if you move the rake you have to put the ball back where it was, simple answer read the rules it describes exactly what happens in this scenario, you are not allowed to play the ball from ahead of where it originally lay. No different to taking a drop and ball rolling forward of drop point, you don't play it from where it rolled to, you drop again and place of necessary.
Firstly no way that pictures genuine more of a set up scenario because a ball rolling just enough to trickle in that would not get through that rough round the edge.
Secondly to leave the rake in middle and then get put just wouldn't work for me, you see I have this affliction of being vertically challenged so I don't have a long reach, therefore no way I could do it without either leaving footprints in the sand which is far worse than leaving the rake as its pictured as some one would moan I hadn't raked it 🙄, or I literally have to chuck it from outside which would likewise offend some Rupert. So if I played your course I be regularly getting letters submitted about my conduct.
Simple solution is leave the rakes outside the bunker. Or likewise accept its your own fault for sticking it in there in the first place. If I put it there and have to play out sideways or backwards that's not the rakes fault it's simply me taking my medicine for hitting a crap shot there in the first place..
Because that's the rules.. Its quite simple if you move the rake you have to put the ball back where it was, simple answer read the rules it describes exactly what happens in this scenario, you are not allowed to play the ball from ahead of where it originally lay. No different to taking a drop and ball rolling forward of drop point, you don't play it from where it rolled to, you drop again and place of necessary.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
In my shot (intending to run the ball through the bunker and on to the green) am I allowed to pick the ball up (which is resting on the rake) and place it where it would have finished on the green if it were not for the rake.?
Marshy77
Journeyman Pro
Is there 2 rakes on every hole for you to tidy up your footprints when leaving the rake in the middle of the bunker?? What does the club suggest for the 2nd rake?
This is getting more bizarre after every post!!
This is getting more bizarre after every post!!
Orikoru
Tour Winner
How can you drop or even place it on a steep slope?? It's going to roll down to the middle every single time. Even placing it.
What are you talking about? I never said anything about placing or even touching the ball did I.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
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What are you talking about? I never said anything about placing or even touching the ball did I.[/QUOTE]
You said it is ok to play from the place where the ball should have gone had the rake not been there. In my circumstance the ball should have gone on to the green ( a shot I often play in the same circumstance).
What are you talking about? I never said anything about placing or even touching the ball did I.[/QUOTE]
You said it is ok to play from the place where the ball should have gone had the rake not been there. In my circumstance the ball should have gone on to the green ( a shot I often play in the same circumstance).
Orikoru
Tour Winner
If you move the rake and the ball somehow rolls up onto the green under its own steam then that would be somewhat similar to what I said, yeah.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
If you move the rake and the ball somehow rolls up onto the green under its own steam then that would be somewhat similar to what I said, yeah.
You MUST replace the ball where it was if it rolls.
Wolf
Well-known member
Easily done in a bunker and no slope on type of courses we play is siverere the ball would immediately roll when placed.
The sand in bunker would allow ball to sit in place.
Which part of you MUST replace the ball don't you get its in the rules the rules give clear definitions of what to do in these circumstances, it's not an option to discard it wand play it where it rolls to
Orikoru
Tour Winner
lol are you guys being serious? Go back and look at the picture he posted, it's about a 45° angle, the ball would never stay there unless you practically embed it in the sand with your fingers, which I'm guessing you wouldn't be allowed to do either? Stop being silly and think about what you're saying. Rules are rules but you can't defy the laws of physics.
Edit: if it wouldn't roll away then placed, then it wouldn't have rolled away when you moved the rake either so this discussion would be moot wouldn't it.
robinthehood
Hacker
The point is do you know what to do if the ball rolls after moving the rake. It appears not.
Wolf
Well-known member
You're just being pedantic now. I've seen the slope, I've played course with similar slopes and the ball does stay where its placed try it one day you'll be surprised.
So what do you propose in this incident you assume it can't be done without trying and play it from where it's rolled to breaching the rules which depending on how the breach is viewed could be a 2shot penalty because you assume physics outweighs the rules or could even be a potential DQ. You have to at least make an attempt to correct the issue.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Ok ok, seriously though, say it won't stay when placed, what do you do then, place it at the nearest point to that, still in the bunker, not nearer to the hole, where it will stay without rolling? Or what?
Being totally honest, if I was just playing a nothing round with my mates I would absolutely just move the rake and play from where it ended up, because none of them would give a toss and there is nothing riding on our rounds. In a comp I would have had to ask the other players in the group so as not to break a rule, and I'm sure we would have gone through the same entire conversation we've just had here.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I assume that you are jesting. It is not difficult to place the rake in the middle of the bunker and - as you can see - there is no great indentation in the bunker as a result of it being put there.
As for the rough just before the bunker. Yes there is a narrow band of maybe a yard or two of what is probably 1st cut length that side of the bunker. However the fairway runs up to that rough and - though it stops slower balls going into the bunker - it does not stop all balls. As it happens the photo is not reflective of the situation described in my OP where the rake was placed with the rake handle running along the line of the rake head shown in the pic. What I have showed is how I am finding many rakes positioned now that we have the steep sides of the faces of the revetted bunkers to prop them up.
The second pic simply shows how we are asked to place rakes - and is typical of our new revetted faced bunkers (though many have much deeper greenside faces)
