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Most NRs in a competition
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Backache
Assistant Pro
Is there a secret golf fairy at your course dispensing balls?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I know where to look....
By way more I mean 5 for every 1 I lose and I probably lose about 1 every 4-5 rounds....
Not a ball finding fest by any means..
VVega
Assistant Pro
35 out of 120 in our major comp. The committee insists “the rough is fair”
rosecott
Money List Winner
NRs? Do they really exist? Some extracts from our Regional Handicap Adviser on the subject.
After pointing out the player’s responsibilities contained in Rule 1.3 of the Rules of Handicapping - no need to bore you with that as we are all well aware of them – the document goes on:
“This means that all scores must be returned following play. There is no exception; and the old concept of a 'no return' is no longer allowed. Where a player does not return their score for some reason, they are expected to provide the reason to the Committee and the card with the available hole scores.
If any player fails to return their score they should be sent an email reminder by the Committee, asking for them to provide the score within 24 hours of that email. Any player not returning the score within that time will be subject to a Penalty Score being added to their handicap record;”
When I have time, I will post on our club’s experience of changing all our “Medal” competitions to “Maximum Score” format – definitely no place for NRs there.
After pointing out the player’s responsibilities contained in Rule 1.3 of the Rules of Handicapping - no need to bore you with that as we are all well aware of them – the document goes on:
“This means that all scores must be returned following play. There is no exception; and the old concept of a 'no return' is no longer allowed. Where a player does not return their score for some reason, they are expected to provide the reason to the Committee and the card with the available hole scores.
If any player fails to return their score they should be sent an email reminder by the Committee, asking for them to provide the score within 24 hours of that email. Any player not returning the score within that time will be subject to a Penalty Score being added to their handicap record;”
When I have time, I will post on our club’s experience of changing all our “Medal” competitions to “Maximum Score” format – definitely no place for NRs there.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
But it depends what is meant by an NR.
NR can mean...not physically returning your card...i.e. NOT returned which is what the emboldened bit above is talking about.
....or, it can mean not completing a specific hole...i.e. a NIL return....which in medal puts you out of the comp but still allows you to play for handicap.....we've all suffered from not being able to find a ball which we had no reason to believe would not be found, if your score isn't great anyway what's the point in trudging back to where you last played from, holding up your group along with those behind? I dont believe that anybody would try to suggest that the concept of an NR is no longer allowed under these sort of circumstances.
I believe that most people on this thread are talking about the latter scenario, not the former, where you simply dont bother handing you card in.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Indeed. I suspect the definition is a bit misleading, perhaps due to how the score appears on the ISV (howdidido anyway, not sure about others)?
If a player does not complete a hole or more, but returns their card in medal, NR is the result as shown on the standings. No Return is probably not technically correct? Is the correct result DQ?
If so, perhaps the software should be smart enough to DQ by default if any holes are not completed, it could potentially put a note beside indicating the reason for the DQ (so viewers can distinguish between this common reason for DQ, and others such as not signing a card or something more serious deemed necessary to implement by Committee). Then, anyone who has signed into the competition, but no score has ever been returned at all, it could then show them as a genuine NR?
Neilds
Assistant Pro
I agree that the term is a bit misleading. In the scenario I mentioned, all the people who had 'NR' next to their name had returned a card and just had a number of holes not played - most due to the course closure and not going back out again. 2 players didn't return a card at all and they were annotated 'DQ'.
VVega
Assistant Pro
The system that the club uses for score entry by players literally has NR as one of the score options. I’d imagine it’s meant as an equivalent for “played but didn’t score” on EG.
In any case, if the ISVs are not changing it, people will continue using it.
SteveJay
Head Pro
We get quite a lot when the rough is up and its windy, especially if it rains. i have seen 40 NR's in a field of 101 for one medal competition recently.
Mostly, I imagine, for the reasons stated earlier - someone hits a poor shot into the rough, expecting to find their ball so don't bother with a provisional, only to not find their ball and they don't want the stigma of walking back and maybe holding up the group behind.
Mostly, I imagine, for the reasons stated earlier - someone hits a poor shot into the rough, expecting to find their ball so don't bother with a provisional, only to not find their ball and they don't want the stigma of walking back and maybe holding up the group behind.
IanMcC
Well-known member
Shocking that your M&H Secretary let this go through.
10 nett double bogies affects their record so badly that their Indexes may well be artificially high. Certainly will be if this happens multiple times.
They should all have received Penalty Scores of CH + CR.
VVega
Assistant Pro
Surely this is what 8 best out of 20 recent is designed to take care of? They’d need to be walking of on a regular basis to have any effect.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Although one issue is that including such rounds knocks other scores off the Top 20, which could have been in Top 8 had they still been there.
VVega
Assistant Pro
That’s a valid point but no more than any poorly played General Score round that would have the same effect and we are then into the territory of a rather long WHS thread
Default Golfer
New member
Im my experience, most cases applying a penalty score of CH + CR results in a reduction in handicap indexThat’s a valid point but no more than any poorly played General Score round that would have the same effect and we are then into the territory of a rather long WHS thread
IanMcC
Well-known member
Exactly.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Yeah, approximately 80% of the time
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