Busted. A Cheat Caught

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Reading Robbie Williams’ Instagram posted thoughts on the death of Liam Payne…very appropriate and sensitive…and words that apply in life in general…and so, as I have suggested, in the context of this discussion also…

“We don’t know what’s going on in people’s lives. What pain they’re going through and what makes them behave in the way that they behave. Before we reach to judgment, a bit of slack needs to be given”

 

[sunshine]

I've still not seen ANYTHING in the national press or on the BBC about this, I'm beginning to think it's a hoax

Have you checked the Daily Mail?

 

[sunshine]

Reading Robbie Williams’ Instagram posted thoughts on the death of Liam Payne…very appropriate and sensitive…and words that apply in life in general…and so, as I have suggested, in the context of this discussion also…

“We don’t know what’s going on in people’s lives. What pain they’re going through and what makes them behave in the way that they behave. Before we reach to judgment, a bit of slack needs to be given”

I think you've got the wrong bands. Neither Robbie Williams or Liam Payne were in Busted.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I think you've got the wrong bands. Neither Robbie Williams or Liam Payne were in Busted.

I see what you did there

 

[PhilTheFragger]

My take on this is the perp has purposely & systematically manipulated his handicap over an extended period of time.

Has coerced another member to sign off his scores and has taken money from his rollup as a result of these actions.

Guilty as a fox in a henhouse.

From what I read, he hasn’t offered to pay back his winnings, he hasn’t apologised, he is just sorry he has been caught.

I’m all for forgiveness, but there has to be a penalty for such behaviour in a game based on trust and personal honesty.

How is he still at the club? As soon as this was proved, he should have been out on his ear, his card marked and other courses in the area advised.

There can be no other punishment

Yet he is still at the club, still turning up at roll ups , getting the cold shoulder from everyone, he is persona non grata, but still he turns up….. this behaviour I just don’t understand.

He is playing with people who do not want to play with him, there may be members who feel that that playing with him is sucking the enjoyment they get from the game and they might reconsider their membership. This is intolerable.

The longer this goes on, the rumblings and discontent will continue, The club need to take a stand and do what they should have done and revoke his membership, otherwise the integrity of the club is in question.

When I was a mod here, I cut some people an incredible amount of slack as I was aware of their mental health issues, and there is a parallel here, it made me unpopular with those who had been insulted and ultimately it made no difference as they didn’t stop and were eventually binned.
Binning them immediately would have been the best thing to do in hindsight.

We are talking about a guy losing his golf club membership, he’s not going to prison, he’s not losing his job, he’s not losing his family, he needs to find another past time to cheat at.

 

[3 jabber]

My take on this is the perp has purposely & systematically manipulated his handicap over an extended period of time.

Has coerced another member to sign off his scores and has taken money from his rollup as a result of these actions.

Guilty as a fox in a henhouse.

From what I read, he hasn’t offered to pay back his winnings, he hasn’t apologised, he is just sorry he has been caught.

I’m all for forgiveness, but there has to be a penalty for such behaviour in a game based on trust and personal honesty.

How is he still at the club? As soon as this was proved, he should have been out on his ear, his card marked and other courses in the area advised.

There can be no other punishment

Yet he is still at the club, still turning up at roll ups , getting the cold shoulder from everyone, he is persona non grata, but still he turns up….. this behaviour I just don’t understand.

He is playing with people who do not want to play with him, there may be members who feel that that playing with him is sucking the enjoyment they get from the game and they might reconsider their membership. This is intolerable.

The longer this goes on, the rumblings and discontent will continue, The club need to take a stand and do what they should have done and revoke his membership, otherwise the integrity of the club is in question.

When I was a mod here, I cut some people an incredible amount of slack as I was aware of their mental health issues, and there is a parallel here, it made me unpopular with those who had been insulted and ultimately it made no difference as they didn’t stop and were eventually binned.
Binning them immediately would have been the best thing to do in hindsight.

We are talking about a guy losing his golf club membership, he’s not going to prison, he’s not losing his job, he’s not losing his family, he needs to find another past time to cheat at.

It's all a hoax. Like Covid it didn't happen.

 

[Tashyboy]

My take on this is the perp has purposely & systematically manipulated his handicap over an extended period of time.

Has coerced another member to sign off his scores and has taken money from his rollup as a result of these actions.

Guilty as a fox in a henhouse.

From what I read, he hasn’t offered to pay back his winnings, he hasn’t apologised, he is just sorry he has been caught.

I’m all for forgiveness, but there has to be a penalty for such behaviour in a game based on trust and personal honesty.

How is he still at the club? As soon as this was proved, he should have been out on his ear, his card marked and other courses in the area advised.

There can be no other punishment

Yet he is still at the club, still turning up at roll ups , getting the cold shoulder from everyone, he is persona non grata, but still he turns up….. this behaviour I just don’t understand.

He is playing with people who do not want to play with him, there may be members who feel that that playing with him is sucking the enjoyment they get from the game and they might reconsider their membership. This is intolerable.

The longer this goes on, the rumblings and discontent will continue, The club need to take a stand and do what they should have done and revoke his membership, otherwise the integrity of the club is in question.

When I was a mod here, I cut some people an incredible amount of slack as I was aware of their mental health issues, and there is a parallel here, it made me unpopular with those who had been insulted and ultimately it made no difference as they didn’t stop and were eventually binned.
Binning them immediately would have been the best thing to do in hindsight.

We are talking about a guy losing his golf club membership, he’s not going to prison, he’s not losing his job, he’s not losing his family, he needs to find another past time to cheat at.

And that post should be shown to the club. We had a guy leave our fuddle. He had been in the fuddle for about 18 months. He was called out for cheating. Improving his lie. He had been told before not to do it. He is now playing with another set of lads. I am sure they know what he can be like.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My take on this is the perp has purposely & systematically manipulated his handicap over an extended period of time.

Has coerced another member to sign off his scores and has taken money from his rollup as a result of these actions.

Guilty as a fox in a henhouse.

From what I read, he hasn’t offered to pay back his winnings, he hasn’t apologised, he is just sorry he has been caught.

I’m all for forgiveness, but there has to be a penalty for such behaviour in a game based on trust and personal honesty.

How is he still at the club? As soon as this was proved, he should have been out on his ear, his card marked and other courses in the area advised.

There can be no other punishment

Yet he is still at the club, still turning up at roll ups , getting the cold shoulder from everyone, he is persona non grata, but still he turns up….. this behaviour I just don’t understand.

He is playing with people who do not want to play with him, there may be members who feel that that playing with him is sucking the enjoyment they get from the game and they might reconsider their membership. This is intolerable.

The longer this goes on, the rumblings and discontent will continue, The club need to take a stand and do what they should have done and revoke his membership, otherwise the integrity of the club is in question.

When I was a mod here, I cut some people an incredible amount of slack as I was aware of their mental health issues, and there is a parallel here, it made me unpopular with those who had been insulted and ultimately it made no difference as they didn’t stop and were eventually binned.
Binning them immediately would have been the best thing to do in hindsight.

We are talking about a guy losing his golf club membership, he’s not going to prison, he’s not losing his job, he’s not losing his family, he needs to find another past time to cheat at.

Not be seen all weekend and didn't play with any of the groups. Maybe the penny is dropping

 

[Tashyboy]

Not be seen all weekend and didn't play with any of the groups. Maybe the penny is dropping

Maybe he is just thick and not thick skinned.

 

[Swango1980]

Not be seen all weekend and didn't play with any of the groups. Maybe the penny is dropping

Don't get too excited. He may just be on holiday. Wait until you don't see him for a couple of months

 

[Jensen]

Not be seen all weekend and didn't play with any of the groups. Maybe the penny is dropping

Any sign of the man with O Level maths this weekend?

 

[Tashyboy]

Any sign of the man with O Level maths this weekend?

Could have another O level in camouflage.

 

[Bdill93]

Sorry to drag this thread back but honestly the drama at our club recently has been award worthy.

Members defending the "cheater" (this baffles me still)
Members having full blown arguments in the club
Members losing their heads in whatsapp chats

Highly entertaining watching the keyboard warriors face to face with people who don't deal with issues via a keyboard

And all because a bloke wanted to say he was a single digit handicapper when he just wasn't/ isn't.

 

[sunshine]

Sorry to drag this thread back but honestly the drama at our club recently has been award worthy.

Members defending the "cheater" (this baffles me still)
Members having full blown arguments in the club
Members losing their heads in whatsapp chats

Highly entertaining watching the keyboard warriors face to face with people who don't deal with issues via a keyboard

And all because a bloke wanted to say he was a single digit handicapper when he just wasn't/ isn't.

Is his HI 9.7?

Maybe you should approach a reality tv company. This could be the next love island

 

[Bdill93]

Is his HI 9.7?

Maybe you should approach a reality tv company. This could be the next love island

I thought it was around 8ish... why?

 

[sjw]

I thought it was around 8ish... why?

Callback to Deano's single figure post

 

[Bdill93]

Callback to Deano's single figure post

Ahh - lost on me!

 

[Orikoru]

Ahh - lost on me!

From around here onwards.

 

[Bdill93]

From around here onwards.

That was a rather amusing read! Cheers mate!

 

[threefootworld]

There has been a lot of discussion on here about people manipulating their handicaps and how easy it is especially via the EGU app. Sadly we have had a case at my club that came to light at the weekend. Chap has recently one a board knockout event by a massive score. His opponent felt something wasn't right given his golf on the day vs recent form according to his handicap and did some digging. Turns out this chap had been putting fictitious cards in at an away course to artificially manipulate his handicap upwards. Losing finalist lodged a complaint which the club took to the local Union (BBO) and after investigation the guy held his hands up. Been stripped of the event, had the handicap de-activated for a minimum of 3 months although the final sanctions not yet finalised. The other thing off the back of this is someone must have attested the scores so they would seem to be as complicit and dishonest and so it brings into question their own integrity about their handicapping. Was it a two way street? That bit hasn't come to light

It isn't just the board event though. he has taken money in our Saturday roll up as well as from his usual Sunday roll up as well so essentially playing off a false handicap and mugging off his mates. My roll up group has a Ryder cup two day match against the group he normally plays in for which he had qualified to play. We have flatly told them he's not playing or it isn't on.

Most of the guys I spoke to thought in a way it was a shame as he's actually a really nice guy and no-one can understand the logic behind doing something as blatant and stupid as this. A lot of us were surprised he showed his face yesterday and played with his usual rollup group although I don't think he was actually taking part, more just playing. Not sure I could show my face and personally I think he must have the skin of a rhino to try and front it out.

The big issue of course is what happens once his handicap suspension ends. He is now permanently tagged as a cheat and I am sure there won't be many wanting to tee it up in club competitions going forward. I guess it is a sad indication of how easy the system is to manipulate but I can't understand anyone feeling the need so desperately to win that they need to cheat the system. I am sure more stuff will come out about it and it has definitely caused some conversations at the club and left a bitter taste for many

WEhen I played a Chester le St, there was a new member who turned up and played a Stableford on the Sat and strokeplay on the Sunday. He won both with 50 points on Sat and Net 59 on Sunday off a hcap of 19. Nobody knew this guy and after a little digging it turned out his previous club down south had him off 8. Now our club was partly to blame for now following up with a check beforehand, Needless to say when the word got around, (like wildfire) he was ostracised and no-one would play with him. He wouldny dare show his face in the bar and he left the club shortly afterwards