D-S
Well-known member
Are you a member of a UK club?
Busted. A Cheat Caught
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Did your club look to punish / question the chap who put a card in a 1.30 in the morning, or any of those posting questionable GP scores?
Or, did they just decide to punish the general membership of the club by putting this restriction on them?
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Did the HC committee do any checks on him ?
The app has made it very easy to manipulate
But restricting all members to one card a month does seem unfair on all
3 jabber
Well-known member
That's a spanner in the world for those that think you should submit a card every time you set foot on the course.
threefootworld
New member
I tend to agree but Chat GPT search throws back:
"Under the World Handicap System, there isn't a specific limit on the number of GP scores a golfer can submit. However, individual golf clubs have the authority to establish their own policies regarding score submissions to maintain the integrity of handicaps. For instance, some clubs may limit the number of general play scores to prevent potential manipulation of handicap indexes.
England Golf has implemented guidelines for their elite competitions, where if a player has more than four general play scores among their most recent 20 rounds, and these scores are significantly better than their competition rounds, their entry may be scrutinized or denied"
threefootworld
New member
I play a lot of board and county comps so i never have seen the need to submit additional scores
D-S
Well-known member
Irrespective of what AI says, a club in the UK cannot restrict golfers to 1 GP card per month, it is irrelevant if this is considered a good idea or popular or supported by members.
If the club checks with the County or EG they will be told to reverse this policy immediately.
If a member complains to County or EG, the club will be told to reverse this policy immediately.
threefootworld
New member
Dont shoot the messenger please
Where did you get this info and ill pass it along if correct
Eesat 90210
Active member
Probably off something more official than a Chat BotDont shoot the messenger please
Bobthesock
Active member
Never put general play scores in before but going to start doing it all the time this year. The course is rated much easier off the yellows although most tees are only 10 yards apart.
If my calculations are correct then my handicap should go up. Result.
If my calculations are correct then my handicap should go up. Result.
D-S
Well-known member
I wasn’t having a go at you, so apologies if you thought that.Dont shoot the messenger please
The information/advice comes from EG and the County.
It’s always better for a club to check with the County Handicap Advisors before coming up with new policies as things like this need to be headed off at the pass before they become an issue and the club has to climb down.
threefootworld
New member
Thanks but I need to be able to cite them specifically where from?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Well - there is potentially a big difference between what a player thinks he needs to do, and what his club or EG/WHS might oblige or require him to do.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
I am in a bit of a weird situation when it comes to GP cards. I am in a works society that get funding from the Civil Service Sports Council so we have to have an AGM, constitution, etc and be seen to be running things properly. In order to maintain proper handicaps and keep things fair we voted at the AGM to ensure everyone puts in a card on EG after each monthly event. these will be counted as GP cards but if clubs starting trying to 'disallow' them then where do we stand? I can't see our committee trying to set up official competitions for every event, they just haven't got the time.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm sure someone will produce an official document, I'll not go through looking for one myself. However, I know England Golf sent out direct communications with Clubs last year explaining what is expected from them. Just doing a quick Google, James Luke said (head of handicapping and course rating):
"they could neither prohibit nor limit what players could input into their World Handicap System records.
Speaking on The NCG Golf Podcast, he revealed he’d already spoken to clubs and counties that had restricted golfers from putting in general play cards.
He added he would find and ‘educate’ others that were doing so, stressing the R&A and USGA – the two organisations behind the universal system – felt “very strongly on this subject”.
D-S
Well-known member
This has been the mantra of EG since the inception of WHS.
Last year a club started trying to do something along these lines and the Head of Handicapping had a meeting with them in which they were told that a club cannot restrict a player’s ability to enter GP scores.
As previously mentioned, all the Club needs to do is check with the County, most clubs speak to the Handicap Advisor relatively often and should know them.
HampshireHog
Assistant Pro
How does that get enforced?
D-S
Well-known member
I don’t think, having just had a look, that there is a specific rule as I assume that it is just pretty obvious. Just as there is not a rule insisting that a club must run x qualifying events per year or that the course must be qualifying in July etc. etc.. However, as expected the County knows and will give them the correct advice.
D-S
Well-known member
As per the various replies it won’t need to get enforced as it is not allowed.
But if you are talking about players creating a scorecard when it is dark after the round, then it is down to the committee to regularly review the General Play Scorereport in the WHS portal. This could be easily fixed by not allowing the App to create a scorecard, let’s say, no later than an hour before sunset at the location, but EG don’t seem to focus their IT efforts on helping Handicap Committees.
SteveJay
Head Pro
For all the complaints about people submitting GP cards to manipulate their handicap, not putting in cards can be equally problematic.
Qualifying scores are suspended through winter at my club as we move off fairways and play from black (unmeasured) tees. Unfortunately that means some (especially in the senior's section, where I am a member) just don't put in cards at all. They don't ever play club competitions, just a weekly seniors "roll up" , which, even in Summer is rarely played as a qualifier (except if it coincides with another club competition). That does mean that we have a few players playing off a seemingly inflated handicap and despite scoring 40-50 points some weeks, never get a cut (apart from a 2 week "local" shot reduction as described in the other thread on here under roll up handicaps). I know there are mechanisms available to address this but its a friendly group paying £2 entry so most just accept it begrudgingly.
Qualifying scores are suspended through winter at my club as we move off fairways and play from black (unmeasured) tees. Unfortunately that means some (especially in the senior's section, where I am a member) just don't put in cards at all. They don't ever play club competitions, just a weekly seniors "roll up" , which, even in Summer is rarely played as a qualifier (except if it coincides with another club competition). That does mean that we have a few players playing off a seemingly inflated handicap and despite scoring 40-50 points some weeks, never get a cut (apart from a 2 week "local" shot reduction as described in the other thread on here under roll up handicaps). I know there are mechanisms available to address this but its a friendly group paying £2 entry so most just accept it begrudgingly.
