MINIMUM QUALIFYING CARDS

[Beechwood070552]

We have a rule that 10 cards have to be submitted in the year before a Board Competition starts. The cards can be GP or Competition cards
A small number of Members are playing within a small group and putting in weekly GP cards but very few Competition Cards a year then appearing and winning Board Competion Knockouts. So only their mates really know them.
No concern about Handicap but do other Clubs insist on a minimum number of Competition cards are requires for Board Competitions?

 

[Imurg]

I'm pretty sure we have a 6 card rule and I'm not certain any need to be competition cards..
We're not hugely heavy on competitions..I know lots of clubs have 3 or 4 a week...we have 3 or 4 a month.

 

[Beechwood070552]

I'm pretty sure we have a 6 card rule and I'm not certain any need to be competition cards..
We're not hugely heavy on competitions..I know lots of clubs have 3 or 4 a week...we have 3 or 4 a month.

We are Competition heavy lol. We have 4 a week plus Majors. Plus Knockouts plus Trophy plus Board Competitions lol

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Only in that your handicap has to be active.

 

[doublebogey7]

Only in that your handicap has to be active.

Active was a pre WHS term, so what does your club mean by that now?

 

[Billysboots]

We say three competition cards in a rolling twelve months for a member to be eligible to win a prize. They can still enter comps. They just can’t win.

I played with a fella a couple of weeks ago. Been a member at ours for over two years, plays off a mid-20’s handicap. I’d looked at his EG record before playing and saw there were over 30 cards submitted during his time with us.

Two things became apparent quite quickly. First, this was his first ever competition round. He’d never played a comp anywhere - all the cards submitted were GP rounds. Second, he was absolutely clueless regarding rules. And I mean he genuinely had no idea. Thought if he lost a ball he could just throw one down in the general area he thought it went and continue without penalty, that sort of thing.

A nice fella, sure, but it transpires his EG record not only comprises entirely GP cards, but those rounds have been played in a regular 3-ball with equally clueless mates. How on earth can any of their handicaps have any shred of integrity?

There is a move by our committee to try and hold more comps where members can enter as a group of mates, rather than them being drawn. It’s to try and increase competition fields.

There is an equally strong lobby in favour of maintaining all drawn competitions. The above scenario is precisely why.

 

[Neilds]

8 cards in the 12 months before the competition date, 3 must be competition cards. This is only for board competitions and not heard any issues about people not getting enough cards in, plenty of competitions each month. We don’t seem to have the same people clearing up so think it works well for us

 

[Swango1980]

We say three competition cards in a rolling twelve months for a member to be eligible to win a prize. They can still enter comps. They just can’t win.

I played with a fella a couple of weeks ago. Been a member at ours for over two years, plays off a mid-20’s handicap. I’d looked at his EG record before playing and saw there were over 30 cards submitted during his time with us.

Two things became apparent quite quickly. First, this was his first ever competition round. He’d never played a comp anywhere - all the cards submitted were GP rounds. Second, he was absolutely clueless regarding rules. And I mean he genuinely had no idea. Thought if he lost a ball he could just throw one down in the general area he thought it went and continue without penalty, that sort of thing.

A nice fella, sure, but it transpires his EG record not only comprises entirely GP cards, but those rounds have been played in a regular 3-ball with equally clueless mates. How on earth can any of their handicaps have any shred of integrity?

There is a move by our committee to try and hold more comps where members can enter as a group of mates, rather than them being drawn. It’s to try and increase competition fields.

There is an equally strong lobby in favour of maintaining all drawn competitions. The above scenario is precisely why.

It is why I'd always be reluctant to join a club where you can just play with your mates in comps.

There is quite a high chance of some leniency or ignorance around the rules. Higher than in drawn comps anyway

 

[D-S]

We say three competition cards in a rolling twelve months for a member to be eligible to win a prize. They can still enter comps. They just can’t win.

I played with a fella a couple of weeks ago. Been a member at ours for over two years, plays off a mid-20’s handicap. I’d looked at his EG record before playing and saw there were over 30 cards submitted during his time with us.

Two things became apparent quite quickly. First, this was his first ever competition round. He’d never played a comp anywhere - all the cards submitted were GP rounds. Second, he was absolutely clueless regarding rules. And I mean he genuinely had no idea. Thought if he lost a ball he could just throw one down in the general area he thought it went and continue without penalty, that sort of thing.

A nice fella, sure, but it transpires his EG record not only comprises entirely GP cards, but those rounds have been played in a regular 3-ball with equally clueless mates. How on earth can any of their handicaps have any shred of integrity?

There is a move by our committee to try and hold more comps where members can enter as a group of mates, rather than them being drawn. It’s to try and increase competition fields.

There is an equally strong lobby in favour of maintaining all drawn competitions. The above scenario is precisely why.

This is one of my irritations. Clubs are happy to insist on more and more cards in with a higher % of comp scores but totally ignore a fundamental of the game - a basic knowledge of the rules of the sport you are playing.
I think everyone who can win a prize should have passed the Level 1 R and A rules exam. About an hour or so and you can do the revision (that the website guides you through) and the test.

 

[Crazyface]

I've noticed that some Opens require a certain amount of recorded scores to be actual competition scores for the person to win any prizes. I get it, but it's a bit of a swizz for us as the wife doesn't play in any and all her scores are when with me. But beleive me, they are all done under competion standards. I'm not having her beat me! And also, her scores are consistant and her handicap was only going down or levelling off. Her last score, in September, was actually her best ever. Nearly time to start up again, she's even talking of it!!!

 

[Crazyface]

This is one of my irritations. Clubs are happy to insist on more and more cards in with a higher % of comp scores but totally ignore a fundamental of the game - a basic knowledge of the rules of the sport you are playing.
I think everyone who can win a prize should have passed the Level 1 R and A rules exam. About an hour or so and you can do the revision (that the website guides you through) and the test.

Or, have all comps for money, drawn. Or for such a piddling amount no one will care. Unfortunatly this will affect the Pros income, which would cause our Pro to give up his position.

 

[LincolnShep]

I've noticed that some Opens require a certain amount of recorded scores to be actual competition scores for the person to win any prizes. I get it, but it's a bit of a swizz for us as the wife doesn't play in any and all her scores are when with me. But beleive me, they are all done under competion standards. I'm not having her beat me! And also, her scores are consistant and her handicap was only going down or levelling off. Her last score, in September, was actually her best ever. Nearly time to start up again, she's even talking of it!!!

Your wife is suffering because opens have bolstered their entry criteria to try to weed out handicap cheats. That's a great shame. I'd prefer it if they just scrapped all the prizes.
BTW, individual opens count as competition scores on your record, no idea if individual mixed opens exist though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Your wife is suffering because opens have bolstered their entry criteria to try to weed out handicap cheats. That's a great shame. I'd prefer it if they just scrapped all the prizes.
BTW, individual opens count as competition scores on your record, no idea if individual mixed opens exist though.

Therein lies the problem for that group of players. If you are playing 4BBB, mixed or single sex, then they don't count. I have 8 x 4BBB opens lined up for for this year but none will count. I did more of these last summer than counting club comps. It's a shame there is not a workaround for this (although I do agree that prizes in opens are entirely unnecessary and would be happy to see them scrapped)

 

[Swango1980]

Therein lies the problem for that group of players. If you are playing 4BBB, mixed or single sex, then they don't count. I have 8 x 4BBB opens lined up for for this year but none will count. I did more of these last summer than counting club comps. It's a shame there is not a workaround for this (although I do agree that prizes in opens are entirely unnecessary and would be happy to see them scrapped)

I thought 4BBB does count if you get 42 points are higher. Albeit, I still think that is a bit of a joke. In individual play you are not allowed to pick and choose what scores to use AFTER the round is complete. In 4BBB that is exactly what happens. Play well, a good score goes on your record. Play average or bad, the score is forgotten.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I thought 4BBB does count if you get 42 points are higher. Albeit, I still think that is a bit of a joke. In individual play you are not allowed to pick and choose what scores to use AFTER the round is complete. In 4BBB that is exactly what happens. Play well, a good score goes on your record. Play average or bad, the score is forgotten.

Exactly. Your score should either count or not. I could get 8 x 41pts in my opens this year and nothing would happen. Equally, I could get 8 x 22pts, the same. I can see what they tried to do with this but it is clunky and doesn't work with the many people who enjoy Opens, as per @Crazyface wife.

 

[D-S]

I thought 4BBB does count if you get 42 points are higher.

And only if you are on the card at least 9 times and only if your scaled up score is 36 points.

 

[jim8flog]

Only in that your handicap has to be active.

active/inactive went out long before the WHS. Competition status went out with the WHS.

 

[jim8flog]

Where I play it is 5 cards and they can be GP cards.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

active/inactive went out long before the WHS. Competition status went out with the WHS.

Yes, I was under the wrong impression.
Currently we dont have anything, but from next year it will be 4 qualifying scores.

 

[wjemather]

Yes, I was under the wrong impression.
Currently we dont have anything, but from next year it will be 4 qualifying scores.

"Qualifying" isn't a thing any more either.