Masters 2019

[Blue in Munich]

How many corporate companies that sponsor stars do so for anything other than exposure and commercial gain?
Multinational companies very rarely have morales at the top of their lists.

Shareholders want profits, not a warm fuzzy feeling.

Indeed, but Nike were promoting the perfect human being even after it was abundantly clear he wasn't. Sometimes your customers will respect the right thing and the warm fuzzy feeling that gives them is reflected at the tills.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How many corporate companies that sponsor stars do so for anything other than exposure and commercial gain?
Multinational companies very rarely have morales at the top of their lists.

Shareholders want profits, not a warm fuzzy feeling.

Some decided not at any cost.

https://gsm.ucdavis.edu/news-release/tiger-woods-scandal-cost-shareholders-12-billion

 

[Blue in Munich]

With respect, he (Tiger) never once lied to me, cheated on me and like any other sports star, what goes in in their personal life is nothing to do with me and of no interest to me.

Didn't he; he & Nike were happy to promote Tiger as Mr. Clean whilst he obviously wasn't. Ergo, he lied. He is using his image to endorse goods in an attempt to get you to buy them. Doesn't sound like a porky to you? It does to me.

That doesn't mean I cannot respect his ability as a golfer. But he falls considerably short as a role mode. Yes, I accept others do, but we aren't talking about others, we are talking about Tiger.

 

[User20204]

But he falls considerably short as a role mode. .

Millions of people took up the game because of Tiger, not despite him. The game has been dying on it's feet since his fall from the game, do you think that's purely a coincidence, do you think all those that have left the game left because he was pumping the odd woman here and there or possibly because he was no longer at the top of his game.

One cannot deny he is the biggest thing that has ever happened to the game of golf, number have proved, viewing figures have proved it, tv advertisers will have been having wet dreams on his comeback to the top of the game.

 

[User20205]

I think it’s a little disingenuous to drag up his previous indiscretions. He pulled off one of the greatest comeback victories in golf. It’s one of the greatest stories in golf, it’s what the sport is all about.
It’s a little salty to bring up his previous, well documented indiscretions imo

 

[Papas1982]

Some decided not at any cost.

https://gsm.ucdavis.edu/news-release/tiger-woods-scandal-cost-shareholders-12-billion

Tbf mate the first line estimates losses of between 5-12billion, that’s quite some range. Not sure how much credit something with such wide estimates deserves. Also that’s been based on company values. So whilst it may have meant they made less money, I could see whether it said they actually lost money.

Didn't he; he & Nike were happy to promote Tiger as Mr. Clean whilst he obviously wasn't. Ergo, he lied. He is using his image to endorse goods in an attempt to get you to buy them. Doesn't sound like a porky to you? It does to me.

That doesn't mean I cannot respect his ability as a golfer. But he falls considerably short as a role mode. Yes, I accept others do, but we aren't talking about others, we are talking about Tiger.

I have already agreed he may not be an ideal role model. My only differing thought is that I don’t expect sports stars to be role models.

Like mentioned before, I don’t recall any family adds which used him as the prefect husband or dad. Don’t get me wrong, I can see how companies would hardly use the image can now all have of him in an add campaign. I just don’t really think too many people buy a product because of the persons personal image, they’ll do so beciase of how good they are at the thing they’re famous for. Anyways this is massively off track now. Let’s save it for if he overtakes Snead and or Jack and then total,wins might not be debatable....

 

[backwoodsman]

Tiger?
Great golf, great achievement, great sporting comeback! Well done.
But he's still a git.

 

[SteveW86]

Really enjoyed watching the last 9 today with it being in 3 balls. Made the action seem a lot closer between all the players at the top as they were actually closer on the course too.

Loved the bit where Koepka was about to tee off on 17, but he had to stop as the crowd could see Tigers shot on 16. The crowd then wouldn’t settle so he just cracked on and smashed his drive straight down the middle.

 

[Hobbit]

Millions of people took up the game because of Tiger, not despite him. The game has been dying on it's feet since his fall from the game, do you think that's purely a coincidence, do you think all those that have left the game left because he was pumping the odd woman here and there or possibly because he was no longer at the top of his game.

One cannot deny he is the biggest thing that has ever happened to the game of golf, number have proved, viewing figures have proved it, tv advertisers will have been having wet dreams on his comeback to the top of the game.

The game was way more dead and buried till Arnie blitzed it. Can't deny Tiger is the man of his time but he's no better than any number of number 1's of their time too.

 

[User20205]

Millions of people took up the game because of Tiger, not despite him. The game has been dying on it's feet since his fall from the game, do you think that's purely a coincidence, do you think all those that have left the game left because he was pumping the odd woman here and there or possibly because he was no longer at the top of his game.

One cannot deny he is the biggest thing that has ever happened to the game of golf, number have proved, viewing figures have proved it, tv advertisers will have been having wet dreams on his comeback to the top of the game.

I’m pretty sure it’s been proven that tigers popularity has nothing to do with participation. It does increase viewing figs but not playing no’s

 

[lobthewedge]

Add Sam Snead; still leading the PGA Tour win list (just).

All greats but still think Ben Hogan takes the title.Hogan also gets the nod for greatest comeback of all time with his 1950 us open win.

Smashed by a bus, broken pelvis, collarbone, ribs and ankle. Nearly dies from a blood clot and doctors question if he will ever walk again let alone play golf. Just over a year later he wins the us open? That’s a comeback!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think it’s a little disingenuous to drag up his previous indiscretions. He pulled off one of the greatest comeback victories in golf. It’s one of the greatest stories in golf, it’s what the sport is all about.
It’s a little salty to bring up his previous, well documented indiscretions imo

Nobody doubts his golfing ability, but the “look at what a loving father he is” rubbish is what grinds, obviously his kids weren’t his priority when he was lying to their mother.
Having a different moral compass doesn’t make us wrong, just like it doesn’t make those who choose to ignore his past right.

 

[lobthewedge]

To get back on topic......

Great tournament, gutted for molinari, but well done tiger, thoroughly deserved victory.

 

[User20204]

The game was way more dead and buried till Arnie blitzed it.

Arnie was before my time

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Millions of people took up the game because of Tiger, not despite him. The game has been dying on it's feet since his fall from the game, do you think that's purely a coincidence, do you think all those that have left the game left because he was pumping the odd woman here and there or possibly because he was no longer at the top of his game.

One cannot deny he is the biggest thing that has ever happened to the game of golf, number have proved, viewing figures have proved it, tv advertisers will have been having wet dreams on his comeback to the top of the game.

Millions taking up the game because of him and dying because of his fall from Grace ?!

Really ? Do you not think a touch overboard there - him playing does increase people watching but participation- think you maybe a long way off there

 

[Blue in Munich]

All greats but still think Ben Hogan takes the title.Hogan also gets the nod for greatest comeback of all time with his 1950 us open win.

Smashed by a bus, broken pelvis, collarbone, ribs and ankle. Nearly dies from a blood clot and doctors question if he will ever walk again let alone play golf. Just over a year later he wins the us open? That’s a comeback!

No argument with that.

 

[User20205]

Nobody doubts his golfing ability, but the “look at what a loving father he is” rubbish is what grinds, obviously his kids weren’t his priority when he was lying to their mother.
Having a different moral compass doesn’t make us wrong, just like it doesn’t make those who choose to ignore his past right.

Agreed, but what has any of that got to do with his win today?

 

[Hobbit]

Arnie was before my time

And mine, but try reading up on the state of the game back then. Rather than a blinkered "Tiger is a god," you might just educate yourself.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Millions of people took up the game because of Tiger, not despite him. The game has been dying on it's feet since his fall from the game, do you think that's purely a coincidence, do you think all those that have left the game left because he was pumping the odd woman here and there or possibly because he was no longer at the top of his game.

One cannot deny he is the biggest thing that has ever happened to the game of golf, number have proved, viewing figures have proved it, tv advertisers will have been having wet dreams on his comeback to the top of the game.

His fall from the game has also coincided with world wide austerity issues. Not one person I know who has left a golf club has done it because Tiger's game went south; they left because of financial issues.

 

[HowlingGale]

Absolutely fantastic. Recorded it earlier today and just watched it. That lag putt on 9 was sensational.

Just for the people questioning his integrity and morals. I think the statistic is that 50% of the people you know cheat on their partners.

I remember tiger talking to the media when he was just breaking through and he was so enthusiastic and engaging. I think the media broke him over the years. Latterly he has become more balanced and is now as happy as he was back then. I think there's more to come.