LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

Branding something "official" doesn't alter when it actually started.

You are rewriting history (again) to fit your crusade.

“The Official World Golf Ranking is a system for rating the performance level of professional golfers. It was started in 1986. ”

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The initiative for the creation of the Official World Golf Ranking came from the Championship Committee of the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews, which found in the 1980s that its system of issuing invitations to The Open Championship on a tour by tour basis was omitting an increasing number of top players because more of them were dividing their time between tours, and from preeminent sports agent Mark McCormack, who was the first chairman of the International Advisory Committee which oversees the rankings. The system used to calculate the rankings was developed from McCormack's World Golf Rankings, which were published in his World of Professional Golf Annual from 1968 to 1985, although these were purely unofficial and not used for any wider purpose (such as inviting players to major tournaments).

The first ranking list was published prior to the 1986 Masters Tournament. The top six ranked golfers were: Bernhard Langer, Seve Ballesteros, Sandy Lyle, Tom Watson, Mark O'Meara and Greg Norman. Thus the top three were all European, but there were 31 Americans in the top 50 (compared with 17 at the end of 2010).


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[Backsticks]

Hey, can we join your rankings ?
- No.
Please ! We promised our players they could be in your rankings.
- No.
Please, please, please can we have some ranking points ?
- No.
Your ranking is rubbish. We dont want your points. In fact we with draw our request. We wouldnt take them anyway.
- Like, whatever dude.

 

[SteveW86]

This is true. And so far LIV has failed to attract any investment or revenue streams whatsoever. It is being shunned by the sponsorship world, corporate America, the global media players, etc.

Unfortunately whilst the PGAT needs this investment, or has up to now the reality is that LIV can be bankrolled by the PIF without any of it.

 

[Hobbit]

Pretty sure sponsors “have warmed to the idea of teams.” A quote from a business journal. Which has seen some of the teams have up to 4 sponsors. The journal also went on to say that there are returning sponsors who have renewed their initial deal with LIV. No sponsors eh?

One of the sponsors set up a stand at one of the venues which, sadly, sold out its products before the tournament ended - but I thought someone said there were zero crowds…

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Pretty sure sponsors “have warmed to the idea of teams.” A quote from a business journal. Which has seen some of the teams have up to 4 sponsors. The journal also went on to say that there are returning sponsors who have renewed their initial deal with LIV. No sponsors eh?

One of the sponsors set up a stand at one of the venues which, sadly, sold out its products before the tournament ended - but I thought someone said there were zero crowds…

There are sponsers at some events but a lot of what’s sold is branded stuff - there total revenue last year I believe was around £75mil for the whole season , outgoings are around just over £1bn

A lot of the sponsers gained so far seemed to be from Poulters team - whilst they are shocking on the course they bring money in

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765092894384275474

Liv players won’t be at The Presidents Cup

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Liv players won’t be at The Presidents Cup

Oh well, never mind

 

[moogie]

Liv players won’t be at The Presidents Cup

Who cares?
Doubt anybody this side of the pond gives a flying f.....

 

[Hobbit]

There are sponsers at some events but a lot of what’s sold is branded stuff - there total revenue last year I believe was around £75mil for the whole season , outgoings are around just over £1bn

A lot of the sponsers gained so far seemed to be from Poulters team - whilst they are shocking on the course they bring money in

The same can be said at European tour events. I’ve been to tournaments that have had only one small portacabin selling polo’s, shorts, belts, hats all tour branded etc, and no food tents anywhere on the course.

• We’ve seen posts saying the crowds are threadbare. Same for a number of European tour events I’ve visited.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors selling product at LIV tournaments. Same for a number of European events.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors. But there is.
• We’ve seen posts saying there won’t be any big names joining LIV. But there are now.

Will LIV still be here in 5 years time, and if it is will it be bigger, the same or smaller? If I was a betting man it would be a very small bet on it won’t be here, but it would be an each-way bet.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The same can be said at European tour events. I’ve been to tournaments that have had only one small portacabin selling polo’s, shorts, belts, hats all tour branded etc, and no food tents anywhere on the course.

• We’ve seen posts saying the crowds are threadbare. Same for a number of European tour events I’ve visited.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors selling product at LIV tournaments. Same for a number of European events.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors. But there is.
• We’ve seen posts saying there won’t be any big names joining LIV. But there are now.

Will LIV still be here in 5 years time, and if it is will it be bigger, the same or smaller? If I was a betting man it would be a very small bet on it won’t be here, but it would be an each-way bet.

I think it will still be there as they have the cash to splash. The question I'd ask is how many of the top players (Rahm, etc) will still be there or will have paid fines and gone back to the "main" tours

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The same can be said at European tour events. I’ve been to tournaments that have had only one small portacabin selling polo’s, shorts, belts, hats all tour branded etc, and no food tents anywhere on the course.

• We’ve seen posts saying the crowds are threadbare. Same for a number of European tour events I’ve visited.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors selling product at LIV tournaments. Same for a number of European events.
• We’ve seen posts saying no sponsors. But there is.
• We’ve seen posts saying there won’t be any big names joining LIV. But there are now.

Will LIV still be here in 5 years time, and if it is will it be bigger, the same or smaller? If I was a betting man it would be a very small bet on it won’t be here, but it would be an each-way bet.

if it stays the same as it is now for the next 5 years then the level of viewers will drop even further and who knows what damage it will cause

Tour golf wasn’t perfect , the PGAT got a lot of corporate sponsers which enticed the players , the ET lost a lot of sponsors after the tobacco ban and since then it’s been a shadow of what we grew up watching

But it’s a great breeding ground for a lot of great talent

But if it stays split and a handful just get richer then it’s not good for the sport as a whole - I’m just glad it has no bearing on grassroots

 

[wjemather]

“The Official World Golf Ranking is a system for rating the performance level of professional golfers. It was started in 1986. ”

“
The initiative for the creation of the Official World Golf Ranking came from the Championship Committee of the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews, which found in the 1980s that its system of issuing invitations to The Open Championship on a tour by tour basis was omitting an increasing number of top players because more of them were dividing their time between tours, and from preeminent sports agent Mark McCormack, who was the first chairman of the International Advisory Committee which oversees the rankings. The system used to calculate the rankings was developed from McCormack's World Golf Rankings, which were published in his World of Professional Golf Annual from 1968 to 1985, although these were purely unofficial and not used for any wider purpose (such as inviting players to major tournaments).

The first ranking list was published prior to the 1986 Masters Tournament. The top six ranked golfers were: Bernhard Langer, Seve Ballesteros, Sandy Lyle, Tom Watson, Mark O'Meara and Greg Norman. Thus the top three were all European, but there were 31 Americans in the top 50 (compared with 17 at the end of 2010).


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Typically for Wikipedia, most of the basic info is there, but detail and accuracy are somewhat lacking.

 

[BubbaP]

I left this a day or so in case the twitter/x obsessives posted, but don't think I've seen it.
Q: Is Azinger just being bitter about the ol' elbow?
Or is he now just free of the shackles?

'Sad day for golf': Paul Azinger makes astonishing claim in PGA Tour-LIV row

Former lead golf analyst Paul Azinger has no intentions of returning to call the PGA Tour after LIV Golf's emergence.

www.bunkered.co.uk

 

[PJ87]

First Liv was "dead in the water" then it launched


Then "nobody big will sign only has beens"

DJ signed


Then nobody else will sign .. whoops cam didn't get the message


Liv players won't compete in majors.. they won't be tournament sharp , man brooks really did extra well then.


Nobody else will join, jesus rahm didn't you get the script


End of day nobody knows the ins and outs of Liv. Nobody has a clue about the sponsorship deals or the finances.


All we do really know is with every top talent that leaves for Liv the pga field takes a hit whilst Liv improves


The pga have the feeder tours but who do people want to see? Rory, Hovland, Scotty? If any of them leave what then? Do we kid ourselves further that Liv will just disappear because people want it to?

 

[BubbaP]

Re the points/rankings - never thought it would be resolved as the organisation is more interested in control, than working out rankings. Which is fine, but they should change their name.

Would like to see some co-operation deal done with DPWT, reduce or remove fines. But can't see that happening even with Pelley leaving.

Suspect more cash may go to the Asian tour. There's definitely been a split in those affiliated with liv in terms of showing up at AT events. Perhaps those bigger names (real or in their heads!) were willing to let their rankings slide to make a point. But if they showed up on mass, even with the diminished rankings, it would go some way.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Re the points/rankings - never thought it would be resolved as the organisation is more interested in control, than working out rankings. Which is fine, but they should change their name.

Would like to see some co-operation deal done with DPWT, reduce or remove fines. But can't see that happening even with Pelley leaving.

Suspect more cash may go to the Asian tour. There's definitely been a split in those affiliated with liv in terms of showing up at AT events. Perhaps those bigger names (real or in their heads!) were willing to let their rankings slide to make a point. But if they showed up on mass, even with the diminished rankings, it would go some way.

That’s a very good point

The players have had the power and still do , the more top players turning up to events the better rankings

I don’t know if it changed recently but maybe if the likes of Smith , BDC , Koepka had played in the Asian Tour events then those events may well have received increased points - so they could used those events to get their points

But as you can see with the latest Asian Tour event - none of the top players are playing . There was talk that the players were “expected” to support some of these events . There was also the Mena tour , what happened there

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Players know what is required to play the majors and bar Augusta there is a qualifying process if they really want to make the effort. With ranking points no longer relevant, it is simply down to the player to decide whether they want to play or not. Those with a form of exemption or an invite clearly have an easy choice but otherwise if you want to have a major to your name you've got to be in it to win it and that sadly now might take more effort than you were expecting

 

[BubbaP]

Rankings by their nature are typically subjective. Personally I think I'd have Niemann somewhere between 15 and 25 right now.

Where Joaquin Niemann Sits In Other Golf Rankings As LIV Star's OWGR Slide Continues

Joaquin Niemann ranks as high as 12th with Data Golf but continues to drop down the Official World Golf Ranking despite his LIV wins

www.golfmonthly.com

 

[Mel Smooth]

Re the points/rankings - never thought it would be resolved as the organisation is more interested in control, than working out rankings. Which is fine, but they should change their name.

Would like to see some co-operation deal done with DPWT, reduce or remove fines. But can't see that happening even with Pelley leaving.

Suspect more cash may go to the Asian tour. There's definitely been a split in those affiliated with liv in terms of showing up at AT events. Perhaps those bigger names (real or in their heads!) were willing to let their rankings slide to make a point. But if they showed up on mass, even with the diminished rankings, it would go some way.

The Asian Tour have announced tonight that 20 LIV players will be in the International Series event in Macau - some decent names in there as well.
Expect to see a lot more of that through the season as they strengthen the Asian Tours poisition

 

[wjemather]

That’s a very good point

The players have had the power and still do , the more top players turning up to events the better rankings

I don’t know if it changed recently but maybe if the likes of Smith , BDC , Koepka had played in the Asian Tour events then those events may well have received increased points - so they could used those events to get their points

But as you can see with the latest Asian Tour event - none of the top players are playing . There was talk that the players were “expected” to support some of these events . There was also the Mena tour , what happened there

The latest Asian Tour event was the NZ Open, played at the same time as LIV Jeddah.

Many LIV players have been playing in the Asian Tour International Series events; more than 20 played in Oman a couple of weeks ago, including the top player. Many also played the Malaysian Open before that. Since you obviously missed it, both of these events were won by LIV players.

 

[BubbaP]

The Asian Tour have announced tonight that 20 LIV players will be in the International Series event in Macau - some decent names in there as well.
Expect to see a lot more of that through the season as they strengthen the Asian Tours poisition

The field has been set for a couple of weeks. Is positive, but noticeable that most of the perceived top 10 are not there. Think it would send an intriguing message if they rocked up frequently.