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[Deleted member 15344]

As covered previously, this is just not true.

So the rankings were never started to help majors with their entries - so the R&A wasn’t looking for a way to improve their exemptions criteria

Only if he wins another major this year; or you think next year is a long time, when his exemptions to the PGA, US Open and The Open expire.

Then it’s just the Masters for him

 

[Oddsocks]

A lot of reference to Rory in the last few pages similar to a convo I was having with the club pro last week.

£750mil is enough to make him move, it wasn’t at the start but once the pga/pgat crapped on him from a great height behind his back it’s enough now.

He had children that will soon be starting school, he will be away when they are home and a quieter schedule works.

If he’s going up go, I expect the announcement the week after the masters as LIV will want it to be a big headline that takes over the media instead of the celebrations of the actually winner.

 

[Fore Right]

The only thing that will stop it now is PIF stopping the funding or players leaving LIV

It seems more likely that the PIF will double down rather than pull the plug.

My opinion is that its not a very wise move to make Liv your rival, you will never win a battle of $$$ with them.

On June 6th Jay said we have taken a competitor off the board.
Well that competitor is still very much on the board and you have angered them with your actions around the framework agreement
I think they will be targeting Rory, Hovland and Fleetwood because they know their allegiance to the PGA Tour is not as strong as the USA players who see it as their home tour.

Its just a sad situation, i really enjoy watching both tours but its all diluted..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A lot of reference to Rory in the last few pages similar to a convo I was having with the club pro last week.

£750mil is enough to make him move, it wasn’t at the start but once the pga/pgat crapped on him from a great height behind his back it’s enough now.

He had children that will soon be starting school, he will be away when they are home and a quieter schedule works.

If he’s going up go, I expect the announcement the week after the masters as LIV will want it to be a big headline that takes over the media instead of the celebrations of the actually winner.

He is moving to London when his daughter is at secondary school age - living around Wentworth , from there he will prob play a bit more DP events and the odd PGAT event ,plus the majors , the current schedule for LIV has them flying from Mexico to US to Saudi to HK to US to Aus to Singapore to US then Spain , UK , US with the majors inbetween it’s prob a bit more travelling

 

[LincolnShep]

But whats the purpose of any other ranking system ? Its main aim is entry in the majors , they why they were started in the first place. It’s all about being in the top 50 etc to gain entry into the biggest comps

There are multiple other systems using many different algorithms- but all irrelevant at the end of the day

The OWGR suits every single other tour , it suits the majors , it suits all the other tours when looking at entry criteria into tournaments

It’s accurate enough for them based on this

Does it suit you? Are you content with a partial ranking system, or would you prefer a complete ranking system?

You claim that OWGR suits the majors but you can't possibly know that, it's merely speculation. What we know is that they are using OWGR. Then again, they're all on the board so that kind of ties their hands. If they were free to choose, I suspect they'd be choosing a system that made their entry criteria simple - rather than one that is causing them extra work.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It seems more likely that the PIF will double down rather than pull the plug.

My opinion is that its not a very wise move to make Liv your rival, you will never win a battle of $$$ with them.

On June 6th Jay said we have taken a competitor off the board.
Well that competitor is still very much on the board and you have angered them with your actions around the framework agreement
I think they will be targeting Rory, Hovland and Fleetwood because they know their allegiance to the PGA Tour is not as strong as the USA players who see it as their home tour.

Its just a sad situation, i really enjoy watching both tours but its all diluted..

Hovland made himself very clear about how he feels about the issues with money

Right now that’s really all LIV has , it’s having to offer ridiculous amounts of money to get players - losing about £1bn a year .

that money is ripping the sport apart - and it’s not going to encourage people to watch the sport , if anything the opposite

 

[wjemather]

So the rankings were never started to help majors with their entries - so the R&A wasn’t looking for a way to improve their exemptions criteria

We've been over this. The ranking predates The R&A making it "official" in 1986.
The PGA Tour didn't recognise it until 1990.
All the major tours and majors didn't recognise it until 1997.
The Masters didn't use it until 1999.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does it suit you? Are you content with a partial ranking system, or would you prefer a complete ranking system?

You claim that OWGR suits the majors but you can't possibly know that, it's merely speculation. What we know is that they are using OWGR. Then again, they're all on the board so that kind of ties their hands. If they were free to choose, I suspect they'd be choosing a system that made their entry criteria simple - rather than one that is causing them extra work.

I take zero notice of the rankings , makes no odds at all to me , I’m not bothered about who is 1 or 5 or 15 etc

The majors run the OWGR , they have the ability to make changes to OWGR , they have the ability to give LIV points - they are free to do what they want with that system

The majors are the OWGR

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We've been over this. The ranking predates The R&A making it "official" in 1986.
The PGA Tour didn't recognise it until 1990.
All the major tours and majors didn't recognise it until 1997.
The Masters didn't use it until 1999.

Do you mean the McCormack rankings which were unofficial and had no real meaning behind them when they were published in an annual

So as I said the OWGR was started to help majors with their criteria for entry

 

[LincolnShep]

I take zero notice of the rankings , makes no odds at all to me , I’m not bothered about who is 1 or 5 or 15 etc

The majors run the OWGR , they have the ability to make changes to OWGR , they have the ability to give LIV points - they are free to do what they want with that system

The majors are the OWGR

That's not true though is it; they're on the board but they don't run it, and they don't have a free hand. You know that because you know who's on the board, so why state something that you know to be false?
If you have zero interest in the rankings, why on earth do you have an opinion either way? If you have zero interest in the rankings, what difference would it make to you if LIV players received them? How many posts have you made about something in which you have zero interest?!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's not true though is it; they're on the board but they don't run it, and they don't have a free hand. You know that because you know who's on the board, so why state something that you know to be false?
If you have zero interest in the rankings, why on earth do you have an opinion either way? If you have zero interest in the rankings, what difference would it make to you if LIV players received them? How many posts have you made about something in which you have zero interest?!

You have missed the point - I’m not interested in which player is number 1 ,it doesn’t bother me but I don’t want to see a tour try and bully and buy their way to something that other tours have worked for and work within tbe criteria

And the majors have 4 votes on the board , they control it

They are the four main governing bodies of the sport - do you think they would be dictated too ? And who is the chairman and what was his previous role.

The run the rankings , they have the power because their tournaments are the cream of the sport.

If the majors wanted to do something different there is nothing stopping them from using other criteria and ranking systems but they are clearly fully invested in OWGR

 

[LincolnShep]

You have missed the point - I’m not interested in which player is number 1 ,it doesn’t bother me but I don’t want to see a tour try and bully and buy their way to something that other tours have worked for and work within tbe criteria

And the majors have 4 votes on the board , they control it

They are the four main governing bodies of the sport - do you think they would be dictated too ? And who is the chairman and what was his previous role.

The run the rankings , they have the power because their tournaments are the cream of the sport.

If the majors wanted to do something different there is nothing stopping them from using other criteria and ranking systems but they are clearly fully invested in OWGR

I asked you if you were happy with a partial ranking system; you didn't answer because you said you had zero interest in the ranking system and take no notice of it. As someone who is interested in the ranking system, I think it's a great shame that we no longer have one that covers all the world's best golfers.
The OWGR have criteria that excludes a major tour, and I agree that is entirely their choice. They have to right to select their own criteria just as they have the right to slide into obscurity.

 

[wjemather]

Do you mean the McCormack rankings which were unofficial and had no real meaning behind them when they were published in an annual

So as I said the OWGR was started to help majors with their criteria for entry

Branding something "official" doesn't alter when it actually started.

You are rewriting history (again) to fit your crusade.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Next year when DJ becomes the best player on Liv not to qualify through OWGR, he will get a special invite as well.

DJ has a lifetime exemption to The Masters as a previous winner anyway. No special invite required.

 

[Fore Right]

Great article on this subject

https://www.si.com/golf/2024/03/05/liv-golf-ready-for-long-haul-after-dropping-owgr-bid

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I asked you if you were happy with a partial ranking system; you didn't answer because you said you had zero interest in the ranking system and take no notice of it. As someone who is interested in the ranking system, I think it's a great shame that we no longer have one that covers all the world's best golfers.
The OWGR have criteria that excludes a major tour, and I agree that is entirely their choice. They have to right to select their own criteria just as they have the right to slide into obscurity.

Lot of posts for no interest. I think in its time the OGWR was a wonderful tool and always interesting when they ranked players by order at world #1. Could they have done more in the current climate? Possibly but it wasn't their choice and so why acquiesce to LIV's demands

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I asked you if you were happy with a partial ranking system; you didn't answer because you said you had zero interest in the ranking system and take no notice of it. As someone who is interested in the ranking system, I think it's a great shame that we no longer have one that covers all the world's best golfers.
The OWGR have criteria that excludes a major tour, and I agree that is entirely their choice. They have to right to select their own criteria just as they have the right to slide into obscurity.

Why would they slide into obscurity?

It’s a handful of golfers that are not playing in comps that are not eligible

The reactions are if there has been hundreds of the top golfers are no longer playing in eligible events

Every single golfer that plays in an eligible event gets ranked - if a player doesn’t want to play in an eligible event they don’t get ranked

the criteria suits every single other tour , if the LIV tour wants to be part of it then they know what to do - and for many it’s not a “major tour” - it’s a closed door tour based only on money and it’s that closed door that stops it being ranked alongside the others

It’s no different to the European Super Legaue that was created that everyone hated

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Why would they slide into obscurity?

It’s a handful of golfers that are not playing in comps that are not eligible

The reactions are if there has been hundreds of the top golfers are no longer playing in eligible events

Every single golfer that plays in an eligible event gets ranked - if a player doesn’t want to play in an eligible event they don’t get ranked

the criteria suits every single other tour , if the LIV tour wants to be part of it then they know what to do - and for many it’s not a “major tour” - it’s a closed door tour based only on money and it’s that closed door that stops it being ranked alongside the others

It’s no different to the European Super Legaue that was created that everyone hated

Did the European Super League actually exist. It dismantled fairly swiftly and didn't the English teams not join. At least the LIV and tours are in existence and is the ranking system

 

[Backsticks]

Just a reminder... The money always wins...

I appreciate some may not like that, but that is the harsh reality.

This is true. And so far LIV has failed to attract any investment or revenue streams whatsoever. It is being shunned by the sponsorship world, corporate America, the global media players, etc.

 

[wjemather]

And so far LIV has failed to attract any investment or revenue streams whatsoever. It is being shunned by the sponsorship world, corporate America, the global media players, etc.

Not true.