LIV Golf

[SteveW86]

I don’t know the answer to this, but how many tours have been created since the OWGR was set up?

 

[TheDiablo]

It will be interesting to see if Liv continue with their ‘Promotions Events’ this year. The main purpose of these being to try and fit owgr criteria via either the Intl Series on AT or the qualifying tournament.

What they ended up with was 4 players with little to no recognition that have weakened the average depth of fields and then failed to get a single Top 25 between them in 12 starts combined

Surely a better approach now is just throw more money at the level of Pieters, Meronk, Varner etc to fill out the field

 

[SteveW86]

It will be interesting to see if Liv continue with their ‘Promotions Events’ this year. The main purpose of these being to try and fit owgr criteria via either the Intl Series on AT or the qualifying tournament.

What they ended up with was 4 players with little to no recognition that have weakened the average depth of fields and then failed to get a single Top 25 between them in 12 starts combined

Surely a better approach now is just throw more money at the level of Pieters, Meronk, Varner etc to fill out the field

GN said they will just focus on recruiting better players now hasn’t he?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don’t know the answer to this, but how many tours have been created since the OWGR was set up?

I believe there has only been developmental tours that have started since the OWGR started , the Asian Tour I think was one of the latest to start in the 90’s

 

[Deleted member 15344]

GN said they will just focus on recruiting better players now hasn’t he?

Going to be tough to sell now with the outlook of no points , no deal with PGAT , going to take a lot of money to persuade others to jump now.

Not sure what level of player would look to move over now

 

[SteveW86]

Going to be tough to sell now with the outlook of no points , no deal with PGAT , going to take a lot of money to persuade others to jump now.

Not sure what level of player would look to move over now

I genuinely think everybody has a price that they would move for

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I genuinely think everybody has a price that they would move for

Of course - there is no doubt that there are plenty that will give up majors for big bucks.

I’m not sure what level of player that is though.

But can they just keep on spending huge amounts each year to persuade players to move

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I genuinely think everybody has a price that they would move for

Even Rory?

 

[SteveW86]

Even Rory?

Even Rory. Money talks (or more like shouts in this situation), I just see them throwing more money at doing what they want.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Even Rory. Money talks (or more like shouts in this situation), I just see them throwing more money at doing what they want.

I can't see Rory going at any price with the OWGR announcement. Nothing for him at LIV apart from the $'s

 

[Deleted member 29109]

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Even Rory. Money talks (or more like shouts in this situation), I just see them throwing more money at doing what they want.

Thats exactly what will happen. It’s all they have.

Eventually they will offer Rory a nice round $1billion and he’ll go.

 

[Fore Right]

With the PIF now saying they have no interest in partnering with PGA Tour enterprises we now face years of a split sport.
This is pretty depressing because for me both tours are great but the whole thing would be greater if they came back together.

Rory going could be the trigger to bring it all back together which is what Rory wants.
He just wants to play against ALL the best golfers as much as possible.
Not just 4 times a year.

I agree with most though its hard to see it happening but its way more likely than it was 8 months ago when its seemed impossible to even comprehend.

 

[SteveW86]

I can't see Rory going at any price with the OWGR announcement. Nothing for him at LIV apart from the $'s

I mainly agree, Rory is pretty well tied in with PGAT, but if PIF match or better the financials he is getting from them then that’s a big question for him to have to answer.

The only thing that would stop him would be the future entry into the majors, but IF he can win the masters this year then that could change his outlook in that.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Just a reminder... The money always wins...

I appreciate some may not like that, but that is the harsh reality.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

With the PIF now saying they have no interest in partnering with PGA Tour enterprises we now face years of a split sport.
This is pretty depressing because for me both tours are great but the whole thing would be greater if they came back together.

Rory going could be the trigger to bring it all back together which is what Rory wants.
He just wants to play against ALL the best golfers as much as possible.
Not just 4 times a year.

I agree with most though its hard to see it happening but its way more likely than it was 8 months ago when its seemed impossible to even comprehend.

It’s a shame that it’s happened

And it’s going to damage golf - all the tours are losing viewers

There is very little positive out of this beyond some golfers get richer

There are many at fault for this and the Saudi money provided a vehicle for all this to happen

The only thing that will stop it now is PIF stopping the funding or players leaving LIV

With no points , no entry to majors and very little in terms of major income LIV is very reliant on that PIF money - I’m not sure PIF will be too happy to keep funding a tour that doesn’t get a seat at the top table

 

[Swango1980]

Even Rory. Money talks (or more like shouts in this situation), I just see them throwing more money at doing what they want.

If Rahm went for a reported 450 million, I'm sure Rory would have been offered hundreds of millions to go, or at least would have done if he showed any type of interest.

Therefore, I hardly think he is waiting for one billion, and 500 or 600 million is simply not worth it for him.

It isn't the lack of money stopping McIlroy (and a few others) not going to LIV. But, if the golf landscape changes, and/or the PGAT diminishes, then it could be that which pushes McIlroy towards a LIV type tour in the future, or simply move away from PGAT. If the PGAT no longer has a lot of the worlds best players competing, and sponsors start to pull out due to less interest, then maybe he'll give LIV a crack, maybe he'll play more in Europe or maybe global golf will look quite a bit different in a few years time anyway.

Personally, I've now no interest in any golf except the Majors and Ryder Cup. I did watch a reasonable amount of PGAT, but it all just seems diluted now. It'll be interesting to see if they can continue to grow, or if this is a start of a period of decline in golf for a while.

 

[SteveW86]

If Rahm went for a reported 450 million, I'm sure Rory would have been offered hundreds of millions to go, or at least would have done if he showed any type of interest.

Therefore, I hardly think he is waiting for one billion, and 500 or 600 million is simply not worth it for him.

It isn't the lack of money stopping McIlroy (and a few others) not going to LIV. But, if the golf landscape changes, and/or the PGAT diminishes, then it could be that which pushes McIlroy towards a LIV type tour in the future, or simply move away from PGAT. If the PGAT no longer has a lot of the worlds best players competing, and sponsors start to pull out due to less interest, then maybe he'll give LIV a crack, maybe he'll play more in Europe or maybe global golf will look quite a bit different in a few years time anyway.

Personally, I've now no interest in any golf except the Majors and Ryder Cup. I did watch a reasonable amount of PGAT, but it all just seems diluted now. It'll be interesting to see if they can continue to grow, or if this is a start of a period of decline in golf for a while.

Tbh I’m not really that fussed either way, but as always time will tell what happens.

I just hope that the sport isn’t broken up for years to come

 

[wjemather]

DJ will be able to enter a number of majors for a long time yet , as will plenty of others

if the majors were that bothered then they would have done something when it comes to the points issue

Only if he wins another major this year; or you think next year is a long time, when his exemptions to the PGA, US Open and The Open expire.

 

[wjemather]

But whats the purpose of any other ranking system ? Its main aim is entry in the majors , they why they were started in the first place. It’s all about being in the top 50 etc to gain entry into the biggest comps

There are multiple other systems using many different algorithms- but all irrelevant at the end of the day

The OWGR suits every single other tour , it suits the majors , it suits all the other tours when looking at entry criteria into tournaments

It’s accurate enough for them based on this

As covered previously, this is just not true.

 

[wjemather]

I believe there has only been developmental tours that have started since the OWGR started , the Asian Tour I think was one of the latest to start in the 90’s

The Asian Tour isn't a developmental tour, and OneAsia (2009-2018) came and went.