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[doublebogey7]

If you’ve watched the video of Phil, it’s quite clear his position is that there is more to the OWGR decision than the reasons given, and that the aforementioned TV contracts are a factor.
I’m just relaying that information on here.
My view is that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that adds weight to Phil’s view, but nothing conclusive of course.
Also, if the Majors do give places to LIV on a “top ten qualify” basis for example - it further adds to that circumstantial evidence.

If they’d given them OWGR points, they would have damaged the PGAT revenue (allegedly) .

Ok so Phil thinks that the Majors are participating in a conspiracy with the PGAT by not offering OWGR points to LiV, and they will later effectively admit as such by finding another way to offer LiV further places in their events. You consider that a measured argument, really.

If that was to happen then that would be beginning of the end for the R&A, the USGA and the Masters.

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1666118686594220032?s=46

 

[Jimaroid]

As a general rule I don’t think anyone should heed what a multi million dollar fraudster says about anything.

Whether that applies to Mickelson is for courts to decide but the phrase quacks like a duck comes to mind.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Ok so Phil thinks that the Majors are participating in a conspiracy with the PGAT by not offering OWGR points to LiV, and they will later effectively admit as such by finding another way to offer LiV further places in their events. You consider that a measured argument, really.

If that was to happen then that would be beginning of the end for the R&A, the USGA and the Masters.

How will giving LIV golfers a route into the majors trigger the demise of the ruling bodies and The Masters?

That’s a pretty big leap to come to that conclusion.

 

[wjemather]

Ok so Phil thinks that the Majors are participating in a conspiracy with the PGAT by not offering OWGR points to LiV, and they will later effectively admit as such by finding another way to offer LiV further places in their events. You consider that a measured argument, really.

If that was to happen then that would be beginning of the end for the R&A, the USGA and the Masters.

How can you accuse others of not having a measured argument and come up with this hyperbolic nonsense?

 

[doublebogey7]

How will giving LIV golfers a route into the majors trigger the demise of the ruling bodies and The Masters?

That’s a pretty big leap to come to that conclusion.

Of course it is, but way less so than the sports two ruling bodies worldwide conspiring with a third party to defraud golfers of OWGR points at the same time as effectively planning to tell the world what they have done.
They would for certain have some explaining to do to the rest of the golfing world.

 

[doublebogey7]

How can you accuse others of not having a measured argument and come up with this hyperbolic nonsense?

Maybe be a bit ott but don't you think the two worldwide governing bodies would have some serious explaining to do to the rest of the golfing fraternity.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Of course it is, but way less so than the sports two ruling bodies worldwide conspiring with a third party to defraud golfers of OWGR points at the same time as effectively planning to tell the world what they have done.
They would for certain have some explaining to do to the rest of the golfing world.

Who is the third party?

 

[doublebogey7]

Who is the third party?

PGAT

 

[wjemather]

Maybe be a bit ott but don't you think the two worldwide governing bodies would have some serious explaining to do to the rest of the golfing fraternity.

No, not at all - it's the only way they can ensure the best players get into the majors without special invitations (which only the PGA routinely gives out) or qualifying (which 2 don't have). The owgr points issue has no bearing on that, and I don't see why anyone would be shocked if it happens.

 

[Hobbit]

I don’t see why the PGAT has to do anything with ranking points than it already does.

A number of players chose to go and play on LIV. They knew the ramifications of their decision. Let them crack on. And if they don’t have a route into the Majors, whose fault is that? And if those players want a route into the Majors they can rejoin the ‘regular’ tours.

 

[Mel Smooth]

PGAT

But it's not a third party is it, the OWGR boardroom is made up of the same people that head the PGA Tours, as well as the R&A, USGA etc.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I don’t see why the PGAT has to do anything with ranking points than it already does.

A number of players chose to go and play on LIV. They knew the ramifications of their decision. Let them crack on. And if they don’t have a route into the Majors, whose fault is that? And if those players want a route into the Majors they can rejoin the ‘regular’ tours.

Isn't that part of the issue they can't be a member of both?

 

[wjemather]

I don’t see why the PGAT has to do anything with ranking points than it already does.

A number of players chose to go and play on LIV. They knew the ramifications of their decision. Let them crack on. And if they don’t have a route into the Majors, whose fault is that? And if those players want a route into the Majors they can rejoin the ‘regular’ tours.

Given how skewed the owgr is towards the PGAT, getting points wouldn't get LIV players into majors any more than it does DPWT players, or JGTO players, or Asian Tour players, or Sunshine Tour players, or...

 

[Hobbit]

Isn't that part of the issue they can't be a member of both?

The idea is their choice is either tour but not both. Cake and eat it comes to mind…

Given how skewed the owgr is towards the PGAT, getting points wouldn't get LIV players into majors any more than it does DPWT players, or JGTO players, or Asian Tour players, or Sunshine Tour players, or...

And if players want more points, let them try and qualify for the PGAT. And if they’re not good enough, they’re not good enough.

 

[doublebogey7]

I don’t see why the PGAT has to do anything with ranking points than it already does.

A number of players chose to go and play on LIV. They knew the ramifications of their decision. Let them crack on. And if they don’t have a route into the Majors, whose fault is that? And if those players want a route into the Majors they can rejoin the ‘regular’ tours.

You do know the PGAT are not the arbiters of who get ranking points right

 

[Hobbit]

You do know the PGAT are not the arbiters of who get ranking points right

I actually don’t care. All the noise and posturing by overinflated egos on the respective tours/organisations is quite pathetic. If any of the tours are playing near me I’ll go and watch. I don’t care which tour, or who will be playing. There’ll be enough more than decent players on either of the tours to make spectating worthwhile.

 

[doublebogey7]

Given how skewed the owgr is towards the PGAT, getting points wouldn't get LIV players into majors any more than it does DPWT players, or JGTO players, or Asian Tour players, or Sunshine Tour players, or...

Or the best players in the world all play on the PGAT, so provide the vast majority of the players for the majors. That is undoubtedly how the majors see it, otherwise they would not have, in your words, skewed the OWGR.

 

[Backsticks]

There is a spin-off benefit to LIV of not getting OWGR ranking points - they have been able to make some noise about it and try to remind people they still exist. If it werent for the various LIV existential crises, I wonder would anyone ever think of them again, or even notice if they disappeared ?

 

[doublebogey7]

But it's not a third party is it, the OWGR boardroom is made up of the same people that head the PGA Tours, as well as the R&A, USGA etc.

How many times does it have to be said that the PGAT withdraw themselves from the process. Or perhaps you are saying that'd what the told the world, in which case the Majors are most definitely conspiring with a third party.