LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Brysons daily hole in one challenge over the roof of his house (we've all hit ball over the roof as well haven't we?)

Day 6 yesterday - he's getting closer.

He gets 7 attempts on day 7, 8 on day 8 etc - what we thinking will be the day when he gets the hio?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858227507612278862

 

[AussieKB]

US President-elect Donald Trump has met with PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan and Saudi Public Investment Fund boss Yasir Al-Rumayyan, leaders of the two sides deadlocked in talks over bridging the divide in men’s golf.

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that Trump, who has hosted PGA Tour and Saudi-backed LIV Golf events on his courses, played golf with Monahan on Friday at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida.

'Interesting times it seems.'

 

[Bdill93]

Brysons daily hole in one challenge over the roof of his house (we've all hit ball over the roof as well haven't we?)

Day 6 yesterday - he's getting closer.

He gets 7 attempts on day 7, 8 on day 8 etc - what we thinking will be the day when he gets the hio?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858227507612278862

In the teens... maybe 14?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

US President-elect Donald Trump has met with PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan and Saudi Public Investment Fund boss Yasir Al-Rumayyan, leaders of the two sides deadlocked in talks over bridging the divide in men’s golf.

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that Trump, who has hosted PGA Tour and Saudi-backed LIV Golf events on his courses, played golf with Monahan on Friday at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida.

'Interesting times it seems.'

“Interesting” - not sure it would be a good thing having Trump get involved

That’s a person who is very much “USA USA”

And also Musk was there as well

If professional golf wasn’t in a bad enough state - last thing the sport needs is those getting involved

 

[Mel Smooth]

“Interesting” - not sure it would be a good thing having Trump get involved

That’s a person who is very much “USA USA”

And also Musk was there as well

If professional golf wasn’t in a bad enough state - last thing the sport needs is those getting involved

He's got an international golf business - growing the game on a global basis will be very much part of his agenda for that - as will maintaining good relations with KSA as President of the USA.

Musk is probably already planning a LIV event on Mars though to be fair...

He's a genius but splits opinion - but any businesses with Musk involved is likely to be succesful.

 

[Mel Smooth]

In the teens... maybe 14?

I'm thinking 10 - but looks to me like he needs to almost slam dunk it - so you might well be right.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He's got an international golf business - growing the game on a global basis will be very much part of his agenda for that - as will maintaining good relations with KSA as President of the USA.

Musk is probably already planning a LIV event on Mars though to be fair...

He's a genius but splits opinion - but any businesses with Musk involved is likely to be succesful.

With a slogan of making America great I very much doubt in his role as president he is going to allow anything that affects any US based events - no chance as President “global golf” will be part of any agenda

PGAT is very much backed by corporate America - do you see him going against them , no chance

 

[Mel Smooth]

With a slogan of making America great I very much doubt in his role as president he is going to allow anything that affects any US based events - no chance as President “global golf” will be part of any agenda

PGAT is very much backed by corporate America - do you see him going against them , no chance

I see him helping both, which is what any right minded person would do.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I see him helping both, which is what any right minded person would do.

Why would he help something in his role as president that doesn’t the country he has been voted in to “make great again”

 

[Orikoru]

In the teens... maybe 14?

Nah, at least in the 30s. Getting it inside 5 feet every time and getting one in are very different things. When he starts leaving them mere inches away, that's when he's getting close.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Day 7….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858601630759109071

 

[4LEX]

Why would he help something in his role as president that doesn’t the country he has been voted in to “make great again”

A deal with both parties that makes the PGAT stronger would benefit America. At the moment both the PGAT and LIV are losing with prize money rising and audiences down. Things are unsustainable and both sides will be eager to do a deal as long as none of them are seen to lose face.

I'd argue Trump should have more important things to be doing but as a genuine golf fan, the fact he's investing time in this already is a good sign for golf.

 

[SteveW86]

Day 7….

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858601630759109071

Surely he has to thin one into the glass one day, that will give a spike in views which is only a good thing for him.

 

[3 jabber]

Yet another sellout. Money talks, wish the PGAT would tell PIF to shove their money and Mickey mouse tour where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[AussieKB]

Let me see if I have this right, everyone goes to the PGAT for the money, but another tour starts up that gives more money and they are the bad guy......

 

[Oddsocks]

IMO, growing the game should have started with the investment into the DP tour, retaining higher level players on the euro scene and improving the purse lower down the finishes so that it’s a viable career. By the looks of things it just took a couple of years to get there.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Tom is reasonably well connected - and will be getting some info from the LIV side at least.

It's bizarre, because if you strip away all the politics and ill feeling, when you put LIV players into a DPWT event, most people feel it enhances that event. What are the people running golf hoping to achieve...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858645277856722965

The relationship between the DP World Tour and LIV players, in particular how they sanction them for playing competing events, is a complete farce. The leadership are now fully admitting they made a huge mistake and the latest move shows a level of desperation that everyone could see coming. In 2022, the DP World Tour leadership took legal action for the right to impose abhorrent sanctions against European stalwarts who joined LIV Golf. They won the case early in 2023 and fined players so heavily that they were effectively forced to resign membership. Now, less than 2 years later, they are desperately welcoming the same players back. Even actively encouraging them to use a loophole in the rules to avoid further immediate sanctions. It’s an utter embarrassment.However, I cannot stress this enough, the problem has not been solved and this is not free movement back to the tour. These players will still be sanctioned for playing LIV events without a release. The fines will still come, as well as the suspensions, and they will merely be put in stay until an appeal is heard, for both existing and returning members.The DP World Tour is only allowing these players to rejoin because they are trying to increase their strength of fields while negotiating new TV deals and sponsorships. They are hoping that somehow before these appeals are heard there will be a deal to ratify the framework agreement with the PIF and PGA Tour so this self inflicted mess will disappear. But that’s a dangerous game.If a deal does not come soon, the DP World Tour is in big trouble and they will need their stars more than ever. It’s time for strong decision making that benefits the tour for years/decades to come, not blind hope that they will somehow not end up left behind by the same organisation who literally outlined a plan to asset strip them in court documents made public last year.Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Tom is reasonably well connected - and will be getting some info from the LIV side at least.

It's bizarre, because if you strip away all the politics and ill feeling, when you put LIV players into a DPWT event, most people feel it enhances that event. What are the people running golf hoping to achieve...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858645277856722965

The relationship between the DP World Tour and LIV players, in particular how they sanction them for playing competing events, is a complete farce. The leadership are now fully admitting they made a huge mistake and the latest move shows a level of desperation that everyone could see coming. In 2022, the DP World Tour leadership took legal action for the right to impose abhorrent sanctions against European stalwarts who joined LIV Golf. They won the case early in 2023 and fined players so heavily that they were effectively forced to resign membership. Now, less than 2 years later, they are desperately welcoming the same players back. Even actively encouraging them to use a loophole in the rules to avoid further immediate sanctions. It’s an utter embarrassment.However, I cannot stress this enough, the problem has not been solved and this is not free movement back to the tour. These players will still be sanctioned for playing LIV events without a release. The fines will still come, as well as the suspensions, and they will merely be put in stay until an appeal is heard, for both existing and returning members.The DP World Tour is only allowing these players to rejoin because they are trying to increase their strength of fields while negotiating new TV deals and sponsorships. They are hoping that somehow before these appeals are heard there will be a deal to ratify the framework agreement with the PIF and PGA Tour so this self inflicted mess will disappear. But that’s a dangerous game.If a deal does not come soon, the DP World Tour is in big trouble and they will need their stars more than ever. It’s time for strong decision making that benefits the tour for years/decades to come, not blind hope that they will somehow not end up left behind by the same organisation who literally outlined a plan to asset strip them in court documents made public last year.Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

So as I said yesterday - nothing has changed , fines will still be issued , sanctions still there

Players all knew this

Maybe Garcia himself needs to be reminded of what he said about the tour , he is very very lucky that they allowing him to rejoin

the DP tour will always look after their own tour -players jumping to LIV could have potentially made them even further down the ladder

At the end of the day it’s all being driven by greed and money

ET sold out to the DP tour because it struggled to get sponsers to feed the top players greed which is why they went to the US - they applied some level of rules to ensure that the players still had to play some part of the tour

LIV is essentially a rival tour - events based in the same countries as the DP and going up against them

All the crying from the players at tbe end of the day is pretty pathetic - they made a choice based on money - live with that choice

 

[Mel Smooth]

So as I said yesterday - nothing has changed , fines will still be issued , sanctions still there

Players all knew this

Maybe Garcia himself needs to be reminded of what he said about the tour , he is very very lucky that they allowing him to rejoin

the DP tour will always look after their own tour -players jumping to LIV could have potentially made them even further down the ladder

At the end of the day it’s all being driven by greed and money

ET sold out to the DP tour because it struggled to get sponsers to feed the top players greed which is why they went to the US - they applied some level of rules to ensure that the players still had to play some part of the tour

LIV is essentially a rival tour - events based in the same countries as the DP and going up against them

All the crying from the players at tbe end of the day is pretty pathetic - they made a choice based on money - live with that choice

The players are being asked to go back Phil, to help keep the DPWT solvent.


You need to move on from this angle of repeatedly attacking the player who went to LIV - the reason the PGAT and the DPWT are struggling is because of the decisions they took when a rival tour came on the scene.

 

[Bdill93]

IMO, growing the game should have started with the investment into the DP tour, retaining higher level players on the euro scene and improving the purse lower down the finishes so that it’s a viable career. By the looks of things it just took a couple of years to get there.

DPWT Chairman rejected a proposal from PIF initially.. they did try that first!