LIV Golf

[Swango1980]

Bland is 251st on the OWGR, so I don't think questioning the credibility of either of Datagolf or TUGR on a 27 place differential is much of a discussion to be having in the grand scheme of things, when the 'Official' ranking is clearly miles away from being accurate.

All the other players you have carefully selected are probably accurately ranked. Obviously playing less now than they were - Kaymer has hardly played due to injury - but generally their best days are definitely behind them.
We know most of them were signed for their status within the game rather than their ability to win tournaments - all part of the business model - the same applies to Tiger's relevance to the PGAT these days right?

There are still plenty of quality golfers within the LIV roster suggest the golf being played is of a high quality. Using TUGR as an example, approximately one quarter of the top 100 golfers in the world are playing on LIV.

But we know the issue with LIV golfers and the OWGR, it isn't like anyone is trying to fool anyone. They are not getting points as they are pretty much unrankable. I suppose the OWGR could have just removed them from the rankings altogether, but I bet that would have caused a bigger uproar. So, they just left them in there and 100% of us knew they'd fall down the rankings as time went on.

However, using the rankings you like, LIV don't even have a top 10 golfer, and only one in the top 20, and 3 in the top 30. That is pretty poor, compared to the PGAT.

And who cares about the Top 100? Even with the OWGR, there are plenty of golfers in the Top 100 that don't exactly create an excitement amongst fans, and are unlikely to do do much damage in the tournament. I mean, they are clearly good golfers, but they are a mile away from the McIlroys, Schefflers, Rahms of this world.

Rankings are only of importance for Major qualification anyway, is that normally Top 50? Of the 23 LIV golfers in the Top 100, only 8 are in the Top 50.

 

[WGCRider]

Gooch (21st TUGR, 30th DG)

That can't be right. I read an interview yesterday with Gooch where he said he was probably the best golfer in the world right now. So should probably add Gooch rating 1st.

 

[Swango1980]

That can't be right. I read an interview yesterday with Gooch where he said he was probably the best golfer in the world right now. So should probably add Gooch rating 1st.

I'm guessing he confused himself with a 1980's Graham Gooch, and meant he felt he was the best batter in Test Cricket right now.

These LIV golfers are living in a bit of a dream world at the moment, so probably best not to pay too much attention to what they say. Just let them enjoy their cash and play a bit of friendly, stress free golf every now and then

 

[Mel Smooth]

That can't be right. I read an interview yesterday with Gooch where he said he was probably the best golfer in the world right now. So should probably add Gooch rating 1st.

No he didn’t.

 

[Swango1980]

Just saw the latest WAGR and I am outraged at the way I’m tumbling down the rankings. OK I haven’t played any ranking events since July but I can’t understand why the events I do play aren’t rated. I mean, I won the scratch at the October medal with a pretty sporty nine-over 82. No points for that!!!?? It’s all a stitch up to keep rubbish middle aged Scottish players out of the ANWA.

A disgrace I tell you, a disgrace! Is the WAGR even relevant nowadays?

Na, the LIV golfers / fans demand it, only because it is comforting for them to know that Lee Westwood is the 411th best golfer in the world.

I mean, I'd love to know where I stand, after you take my club monthly medal gross scores into account. But I also accept it is difficult to do officially. But, if anybody wants to create an unofficial ranking list for a laugh, that includes me, it would be interesting if nothing else.

 

[wjemather]

Rankings are only of importance for Major qualification anyway, is that normally Top 50? Of the 23 LIV golfers in the Top 100, only 8 are in the Top 50.

Why do you insist on guessing when it's extremely easy to look these things up? Top-50 are exempt into the Masters and The Open; top-60 into the US Open; and the top-100 usually get invited to the PGA.

 

[wjemather]

That can't be right. I read an interview yesterday with Gooch where he said he was probably the best golfer in the world right now. So should probably add Gooch rating 1st.

He said "one of the best" - even Backsticks has conceded that!

 

[LincolnShep]

Non of us know how Bland is playing compared to the other 2000 Pro's who play compete in OWGR approved events, whilst he choosed to be a member of a closed shop tour.

Backsticks knows - he assessed Bland's performance in an earlier post.
I agree with you though, it's a massive disappointment that OWGR no longer gives us a tool to assess all pro golfers.

 

[PJ87]

I listened to Rick shiels podcast yesterday, co host guy raised this

He caveated he isn't a fan of Liv however went on to raise this point being raised today about the rankings. Does make a bit of a mockery of the system if your saying the rankings don't include Liv etc. They put it better than I can so worth the listen for that section

But raised the point about data rankings being more form based, brooks is actually lower than his official ranking as his form dipped after winning his major

He did also go onto say if your saying their are 100 better golfers on form right now than Bryson, Gooch it is a bit mental considering they are still playing good golf.

By all means weight it heavily against Liv but no Rankings seems mad

I'll see if they clipped the rankings bit on YouTube because I found it an interesting listen .. better than I've said it anyways

 

[Swango1980]

Why do you insist on guessing when it's extremely easy to look these things up? Top-50 are exempt into the Masters and The Open; top-60 into the US Open; and the top-100 usually get invited to the PGA.

I didn't guess, hence the ?. That implies it was a question, which you have answered. Much appreciated, and saved me the time from having to research it myself

 

[Backsticks]

I listened to Rick shiels podcast yesterday, co host guy raised this

He caveated he isn't a fan of Liv however went on to raise this point being raised today about the rankings. Does make a bit of a mockery of the system if your saying the rankings don't include Liv etc. They put it better than I can so worth the listen for that section

But raised the point about data rankings being more form based, brooks is actually lower than his official ranking as his form dipped after winning his major

He did also go onto say if your saying their are 100 better golfers on form right now than Bryson, Gooch it is a bit mental considering they are still playing good golf.

By all means weight it heavily against Liv but no Rankings seems mad

I'll see if they clipped the rankings bit on YouTube because I found it an interesting listen .. better than I've said it anyways

It isnt mad. If you arent putting yourself uo against others in the rankings, well of course you cannot be rated.

Extend the LIV principal further : Say McIlroy, Scheffler, and Rahm quit the existing tours, and started their own 3 man one. Playing 3 man tournaments around the world, 72 holes, even a cut after 36, where the last man doesnt play the weekend, and doesnt earn a penny, and the other two fight it out for millions. They are still the best 3 golfers in the world.
Should they get ranking points that reflect that, to keep them at the top of the OWGR ? LIV golfers would support them getting big points that would ensure that I guess ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Na, the LIV golfers / fans demand it, only because it is comforting for them to know that Lee Westwood is the 411th best golfer in the world.

I mean, I'd love to know where I stand, after you take my club monthly medal gross scores into account. But I also accept it is difficult to do officially. But, if anybody wants to create an unofficial ranking list for a laugh, that includes me, it would be interesting if nothing else.

I appreciate you're having to resort to peurile comments to try and drag the debate off tangent, but if you go on England Golf, you'll see where you are ranked as a percentage, at club, county and national level.

So, if you do really want to know where you stand, you can.


I've put the boys here cos he's lower than me..

 

[PJ87]

They did clip it, don't remember it being that long when I listened but there we go

 

[Swango1980]

I appreciate you're having to resort to peurile comments to try and drag the debate off tangent, but if you go on England Golf, you'll see where you are ranked as a percentage, at club, county and national level.

So, if you do really want to know where you stand, you can.


I've put the boys here cos he's lower than me.. View attachment 50014

That doesn't rank me. Am I the 400,321st best golfer in the UK, or 400,322nd. And what about my world rank?

I'm sure the LIV golfers can rank themselves quite easily amongst themselves, but it is a world rank they want.

 

[Mel Smooth]

That doesn't rank me. Am I the 400,321st best golfer in the UK, or 400,322nd. And what about my world rank?

I'm sure the LIV golfers can rank themselves quite easily amongst themselves, but it is a world rank they want.

You're not a proffesional golfer. LIV players are. Move on, this debate is tiresome and going nowhere.

 

[Backsticks]

I've put the boys here cos he's lower than me..

The youth is practically a celebrity around here anyway.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

They did clip it, don't remember it being that long when I listened but there we go

Aren’t some of these YouTube guys supported by one of the media arms of PiF?

 

[Dando]

You're not a proffesional golfer. LIV players are. Move on, this debate is tiresome and going nowhere.

can i suggest you take your own advice

 

[Dando]

Aren’t some of these YouTube guys supported by one of the media arms of PiF?

Yes, the like of RS and The Jazzy Golfer are part owned by Performance54

 

[Mel Smooth]

can i suggest you take your own advice

Come on.. Keep off the thread, hit the ignore button, do whatever you like so you aren't seeing my posts - it's not that hard.