LIV Golf

[BubbaP]

I think that’s a debatable point. For me it’s valid because it’s not a level playing field. Getting into any other pro tour is hard and earned on merit and you need to play well or you lose your card.

Clearly for some of the top guys on Liv neither of those would be an issue but the point is it’d be an anomaly for lesser players to get there by, say, being related to one of the big stars and keep racking up points year after year no matter how they play. And clearly not fair to players plying their trade elsewhere.

I think Liv just need to establish a route onto the tour rather than invites and change the contracts so anyone can lose their card then it’d be hard to justify not giving points.

Think I am following the point in second paragraph, to check though are you making an assumption that every player in field would obtain points?
In LIV's own basic 2023 standings Chase is in 48th place

On last paragraph, whilst a long way off traditional tours, it probably is fair to acknowledge the likes of Vincent and Kim played their way into it, and unless a big change Ogletree will for next year.
Not sure if anyone knows how many have contracts, I'd guess just over a quarter. Would also guess many may expire end of 2024 - so that might be when it all stops!

 

[AussieKB]

A nice article, but WARNING anti Liver's may not want to read

McEwan: LIV verdict is little more than another nail in OWGR coffin | bunkered.co.uk

Michael McEwan (@MMcEwanGolf) reacts to the decision by the OWGR to deny world ranking points for LIV Golf.

www.bunkered.co.uk

 

[Backsticks]

Sums up the situation fairly well then draws the wrong conclusion. As a regular listener to their podcast I’d say that’s not unusual for bunkered.

It’s all about opinions though.

Exactly. The conclusion it makes does not follow from the case presented.

The owgr remains valid. That a handful of golfer have made themselves unrankable does not harm the owgr. It is still perfectly valid. It is missing ye point that there is no need to rank exhibition golfers against the rest of the world. A few of them play 4 relevant tournaments a year. The others are irrelevant now to the world of competitive golf. And the 5 relevant golfer is too few to spoil the relevance 9f the owgr.

 

[Neilds]

To be fair, that just compounds the view that OWGR isn’t fit for purpose anymore.

Let me see if I have got this right. You want LIV to get OWGR points but as they won’t, then OWGR isn’t any good?
If it is so rubbish, why do you want LIV to be part of it?

 

[Backsticks]

Let me see if I have got this right. You want LIV to get OWGR points but as they won’t, then OWGR isn’t any good?
If it is so rubbish, why do you want LIV to be part of it?

Because it would superficially add credibility to a venture that the world has deemed is not worthy of being taken seriously.
LIV has not made its case. But it wants the stamp of approval even though it doesnt meet the standard.

Not being accorded the stamp, it then criticises the authority issuing the stamp.

LIV is not LIVing in a rational world, but a dying beast striking out against the fading of the light.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Let me see if I have got this right. You want LIV to get OWGR points but as they won’t, then OWGR isn’t any good?
If it is so rubbish, why do you want LIV to be part of it?

I want to see the best players in the world in The Majors, OWGR doesn't work anymore, so it's time to either change it, or scrap it. All the OWGR does now, is arrange the top players on the PGAT into an order that gives them major selection.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Also, we've got a female teeing it up in an OWGR ranked event this week, should she make the cut, will she get points, because the OWGR clearly state they only rate the male players - so it's inherently sexist?
Same applies to the events that have taken place on the DPWT of course.
As the game embraces diversity and inclusivity, and we move further more to seeing mixed events, it's time the game had a truly independent regulator - this should all be part of any framework agreement.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I want to see the best players in the world in The Majors, OWGR doesn't work anymore, so it's time to either change it, or scrap it. All the OWGR does now, is arrange the top players on the PGAT into an order that gives them major selection.

Anyone on LiV worth watching is already exempt for the time being.

There are ways of them getting in to the majors for any of them that aren’t already exempt. If they are good enough, they will qualify. How many were good enough to qualify this year?

 

[Jason.H]

When setting out the LIV master plan would it not of been wise to work with OWGR so that this scenario was avoided?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

When setting out the LIV master plan would it not of been wise to work with OWGR so that this scenario was avoided?

One would have thought so. But I suspect the arrogance of the people involved though they could just buy their way in.

 

[Mel Smooth]

When setting out the LIV master plan would it not of been wise to work with OWGR so that this scenario was avoided?

And then golf would have just had another tour doing the same as all the other tours.

In hindsight, maybe they should have done - it would have been really interesting seeing the OWGR doing their absolute best to refuse the rankings which would have potentially ended the PGAT as we know it.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Anyone on LiV worth watching is already exempt for the time being.

There are ways of them getting in to the majors for any of them that aren’t already exempt. If they are good enough, they will qualify. How many were good enough to qualify this year?

If you actually watched LIV, you'd know there are lots of players that don't have major exemption that would be worth watching now, or potentially in the near future.

 

[SteveW86]

If you actually watched LIV, you'd know there are lots of players that don't have major exemption that would be worth watching now, or potentially in the near future.

Which players do you think should be at the Majors next year from LIV, that aren’t currently exempt?

 

[Swango1980]

Also, we've got a female teeing it up in an OWGR ranked event this week, should she make the cut, will she get points, because the OWGR clearly state they only rate the male players - so it's inherently sexist?
Same applies to the events that have taken place on the DPWT of course.
As the game embraces diversity and inclusivity, and we move further more to seeing mixed events, it's time the game had a truly independent regulator - this should all be part of any framework agreement.

Did the World Rankings ever rank amateurs in pro ams?

The OWGR rank male players, and there is a separate ranking system for female players. There is a reason why men and women generally compete separately and ranked separately, but I guess you simply don't understand why that might be.

However, if we ever pretty much scrap men and women only events, and just have events for all sexes, then that might be the time ranking systems are adapted. I suspect there won't be any women anywhere near the top. And that isn't down to skill, simply down to the distances men and women hit the ball.

 

[Tashyboy]

Also, we've got a female teeing it up in an OWGR ranked event this week, should she make the cut, will she get points, because the OWGR clearly state they only rate the male players - so it's inherently sexist?
Same applies to the events that have taken place on the DPWT of course.
As the game embraces diversity and inclusivity, and we move further more to seeing mixed events, it's time the game had a truly independent regulator - this should all be part of any framework agreement.

Am not sure that you should include diversity and inclusivity in a post when the sponsors of LIV don’t include diversity and inclusivity in there country.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Am not sure that you should include diversity and inclusivity in a post when the sponsors of LIV don’t include diversity and inclusivity in there country.

The same people that sponsor the ARAMCO series, yeah?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If you actually watched LIV, you'd know there are lots of players that don't have major exemption that would be worth watching now, or potentially in the near future.

I’ve looked at their player list and can’t see anyone not exempt that I would be interested in watching. You’ll have to name them for me.

 

[Imurg]

Don't forget that the likes of Westwood, Poulter, Casey, Oosthuizen didn't even bother to try to qualify for The Open.....kind of implies that they're not interested .

And one that was interested enough to try, Sergio wasn't good enough

 

[Backsticks]

Don't forget that the likes of Westwood, Poulter, Casey, Oosthuizen didn't even bother to try to qualify for The Open.....kind of implies that they're not interested .

And one that was interested enough to try, Sergio wasn't good enough

Yes, the bottom line is there was no imparement to majora field quality. So the owgr, to a great extent effectively the majors, had no problem to solve. If it aint broke dont fix it. LIV is just fizzle out in irrelevance or be be closed down.

 

[Imurg]

The basic gist of the decision was Do what you want but if you want points you know what you've got to do...
If they won't budge then they won't get points.
Simples.