LIV Golf

[Alan Clifford]

Of course we know LIV need to make a profit at some point, but they’re not in the tight position that the PGAT is in, in the shorter term.

Or the LIV costs come out of the Saudi national marketing budget. No profit required.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Or the LIV costs come out of the Saudi national marketing budget. No profit required.

Well yes, that’s true. If LIV leads to a net profit as part of its goal to grow tourism in SA, it doesn’t necessarily need to make a profit as a stand alone entity.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well yes, that’s true. If LIV leads to a net profit as part of its goal to grow tourism in SA, it doesn’t necessarily need to make a profit as a stand alone entity.

Grow Tourism in Saudi ?


How does playing golf for multiple millions in the US and other countries help grow Tourism in Saudi Arabia ?

 

[SteveW86]

Grow Tourism in Saudi ?


How does playing golf for multiple millions in the US and other countries help grow Tourism in Saudi Arabia ?

My guess would just be through awareness, I can’t see any other link. Luxury resorts will likely be advertised during the events.

We’ve just done a quote for £20 million worth of boats to go to different resorts throughout SA.

 

[Swango1980]

My guess would just be through awareness, I can’t see any other link. Luxury resorts will likely be advertised during the events.

We’ve just done a quote for £20 million worth of boats to go to different resorts throughout SA.

Don't admit to that. Your morality will be questioned by some for providing such a quote

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Grow Tourism in Saudi ?


How does playing golf for multiple millions in the US and other countries help grow Tourism in Saudi Arabia ?

Part of the golf project as a whole is to build championship golf courses in Saudi and turn it into a golfing destination for tourism.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Part of the golf project as a whole is to build championship golf courses in Saudi and turn it into a golfing destination for tourism.

So you have to question why they don’t have more events there and in that area ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Part of the golf project as a whole is to build championship golf courses in Saudi and turn it into a golfing destination for the mega rich.

FTFY

 

[wjemather]

Grow Tourism in Saudi ?


How does playing golf for multiple millions in the US and other countries help grow Tourism in Saudi Arabia ?

Golf (sports) sponsorship and investment is only part of it, but it's a similar model to that used by the UAE (particularly Dubai and Abu Dhabi).

Probably worth noting that only a couple of months ago, Saudi announced plans to invest $800 billion into tourism over the next 10 years. A few billion on golf projects is barely registering against that budget.

So you have to question why they don’t have more events there and in that area ?

They already have the Saudi International and LIV Golf Jeddah; how many do you want in such a short space of time? It took the UAE more than a 15 years to have a second major event.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Golf (sports) sponsorship and investment is only part of it, but it's a similar model to that used by the UAE (particularly Dubai and Abu Dhabi).

Probably worth noting that only a couple of months ago, Saudi announced plans to invest $800 billion into tourism over the next 10 years. A few billion on golf projects is barely registering against that budget.


They already have the Saudi International and LIV Golf Jeddah; how many do you want in such a short space of time? It took the UAE more than a 15 years to have a second major event.

There is 12 months to the year , they play how many events in the US ?

Instead of playing in a market that’s flooded with golf event’s already why not branch out away from the US and look at playing the majority of the events in Saudi and Far East , Australia

 

[wjemather]

There is 12 months to the year , they play how many events in the US ?

Instead of playing in a market that’s flooded with golf event’s already why not branch out away from the US and look at playing the majority of the events in Saudi and Far East , Australia

8 events are in the US this year with 6 elsewhere - hardly a super-majority. And of course they have gone to Saudi, Australia and the Far East. They also seem to be planning on having the majority of events outside the US in coming years, with South Africa, South Korea, India, and another in Australia all being mooted.

All that aside... Where are almost all the top players based? Where is there established tournament infrastructure, logistics and capacity with player-friendly tax laws? Where are the established (but abandoned by the PGAT) spectator, media and sponsor markets? It would take much longer to build up and establish all that almost entirely outside the US from a very low base (probably outside the timeframe of the Vision 2030 project window) and the chances of success would be significantly reduced.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

8 events are in the US this year with 6 elsewhere - hardly a super-majority. And of course they have gone to Saudi, Australia and the Far East. They also seem to be planning on having the majority of events outside the US in coming years, with South Africa, South Korea, India, and another in Australia all being mooted.

All that aside... Where are almost all the top players based? Where is there established tournament infrastructure and capacity with player-friendly tax laws? Where are the established (but abandoned by the PGAT) spectator, media and sponsor markets? It would take much longer to build up and establish all that almost entirely outside the US from a very low base (probably outside the timeframe of the Vision 2030 project window) and the chances of success would be significantly reduced.

So all the talk about world tour , growing the game etc they have the majority of the events in the US and included their final there ?

They have an unlimited budget

There was nothing to stop them hosting every single event outside the US and grab the attention of other markets - their best crowds have been in Aus and prob the UK , 12 events in Europe , Middle East , South Africa , Asia , Australia

If they were confident of their product and it would have filled a gap

 

[wjemather]

So all the talk about world tour , growing the game etc they have the majority of the events in the US and included their final there ?

They have an unlimited budget

There was nothing to stop them hosting every single event outside the US and grab the attention of other markets - their best crowds have been in Aus and prob the UK , 12 events in Europe , Middle East , South Africa , Asia , Australia

If they were confident of their product and it would have filled a gap

As explained, there was (and remains) plenty stopping them from going all-in outside the US.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As explained, there was (and remains) plenty stopping them from going all-in outside the US.

Not really - they have the money to overcome whatever hurdles

They still have little media and sponsers even being in the US

All these other countries have the platform , they have the courses , they have the crowds

There was nothing stopping them from being a truly global tour and filling a gap as opposed to going up against the PGAT and concentrating on the US market

 

[Backsticks]

Not really - they have the money to overcome whatever hurdles

They still have little media and sponsers even being in the US

All these other countries have the platform , they have the courses , they have the crowds

There was nothing stopping them from being a truly global tour and filling a gap as opposed to going up against the PGAT and concentrating on the US market

With PGAT golfers....

 

[Mel Smooth]

Not really - they have the money to overcome whatever hurdles

They still have little media and sponsers even being in the US

All these other countries have the platform , they have the courses , they have the crowds

There was nothing stopping them from being a truly global tour and filling a gap as opposed to going up against the PGAT and concentrating on the US market

Phil, you're doing what you do, making the same point over and over again, we've done this debate at least 6 or 7 times on this thread. You refuse to acknowledge that LIV is trending upwards and instead keep peddling out the same arguments about lack of sponsors, TV deals etc, as if they can just launch a golf series and have it attract as much commercial interest as a tour that has been around for decades.

I bet I wouldn't have to go back 6 months to find you stating that LIV players will not feature in the Ryder Cup, yet there is lots of debate as to whether Bryson should get in (he should), and to a lesser extent Gooch - in addition to Koepka, who is almost a shoe in....

LIV will be a global tour - but in the short term they need to be playing in the US for many different logistical and commercial reasons - but you know that anyway.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Most PGAT players didn't bother to turn up.

Tour commish Jay Monahan meets with players for first time since absence, but many questions about future remain

At a lightly attended players meeting, PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan provided updates, but there are still many unanswered questions about circuit's potential to move forward with Saudis

www.golfdigest.com

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, you're doing what you do, making the same point over and over again, we've done this debate at least 6 or 7 times on this thread. You refuse to acknowledge that LIV is trending upwards and instead keep peddling out the same arguments about lack of sponsors, TV deals etc, as if they can just launch a golf series and have it attract as much commercial interest as a tour that has been around for decades.

I bet I wouldn't have to go back 6 months to find you stating that LIV players will not feature in the Ryder Cup, yet there is lots of debate as to whether Bryson should get in (he should), and to a lesser extent Gooch - in addition to Koepka, who is almost a shoe in....

LIV will be a global tour - but in the short term they need to be playing in the US for many different logistical and commercial reasons - but you know that anyway.

And we can go back and go through all your predictions over the last 18 months that haven’t come true


I’m not aware the Ryder Cup teams have been picked yet so “debate” is irrelevant until the final points are sorted and the Captain makes his picks

And “Trending upwards” - based on what metrics ?

And why can other sports launch new competitions with sponsers, media etc yet LiV struggled , how come Rory and Woods can have people buying teams before it starts , major sponsers sorted

It’s not about LiV having as much commercial interest as another tour , it’s the fact - they still 18 months later still can’t get any major sponsers or major media deal

The tour right now is a commercial black hole.

But the point was if LiV wanted to truly be the World Tour and look to grow the game then it should have focused outside the US

Host all its events outside the US -

 

[Budds]

This thread is comedy gold!

 

[Mel Smooth]

I don't think anybody wants to see any more of the tit for tat arguing to be honest Phil..

I know this. LIV have a backer, and the PGAT need a backer...

So who is in the better position?