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LIV Golf

Done some digging and I wouldnt be so quick to think Liv Events are dead without a trace folks.

Alan Shipnuck is the best connected journalist for sources connected to this.
So i suppose do we believe his findings through his sources or Rory right now ?
I would suggest keep an open mind till we see the agreed merger.

If the below is true then Rory is going to look like he has been thrown under a bus twice.

"So how would all of this work? Conversations with various LIV insiders leads to a consensus of a schedule of maybe a dozen tournaments. Some would be slotted on dark weeks when there is no traditional Tour event being played but a handful would be co-sanctioned as part of the new unified schedule.

Keeping LIV going solves a few problems: the players could be denied full PGA Tour membership, which would prevent them from playing in the FedEx Cup playoffs or enjoying the Tour’s famously generous retirement program. This would give McIlroy (and many of his colleagues) a measure of the retribution they crave. But the LIV players could be allowed to take sponsor’s exemptions to their favorite Tour events—currently the maximum is seven per season for non-members—helping those tournaments to attract more stars and further reunify the game. And Tour members being able to moonlight at some LIV events would give them access to the bloated purses, which will certainly smooth over some of the hard feelings. "

Printed quote from a Liv executive.

Says a LIV exec, “Now we can finally get Hideki [Matsuyama] and Jon Rahm. I would say every big name on the PGA Tour will get an offer. Except Rory. Nobody wants that little bitch on their team.”

"The future of golf doesn’t belong to Norman. Or Monahan or McIlroy. It belongs to Al-Rumayyan. "

Saudi money has bought the game of golf and they will decide what happens next.

firepitcollective.com

What Now Becomes of LIV Golf? Ask Yasir Al-Rumayyan

The new chairman of the board controls the money so he controls the future—not just of LIV but the entire sport
firepitcollective.com firepitcollective.com
 
Lilyhawk said:
Ok, I’m with you then and we seem to agree.

As said, personally I find the whole thing just sad, but will I never again watch professional golf? Nope. Does that make me a hypocrite? Perhaps. If there was something else on offer then I’d happily go with that instead.
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Yes we are in agreement i think.

My confusion was the claim that LIV is over was a justification for claiming a 'victory' when the outcome, to my mind at least' is far worse and that people should, in fact, be somewhat shocked and appalled and should apply the same feelings and emotions that they had to LIV to the PGA tour and, in fact, most aspectes of professional golf. Am I saying stop watching golf, no, but do at least admit that there is an element of hypocricy in doing so if you were not watching LIV based on a moral stance. If you just did not like LIV because of the format, the players, the way it was shown or any other reason then carry on but on a moral stance there is now little difference if you watch the PGA tour than watching LIV
 
Orikoru said:
I thought the same. People keep saying don't conflate them or whatever - what's the difference in this context?? I'd never even heard of 'PIF' before Tuesday. 😆 It makes no difference, they're still combining the two golf entities as we know them, whatever you call it.
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D-S said:
How you hate LIV and not hate the founder and sponsor of it?
LIV didn’t fail as it served exactly its purpose which was to give its founder and sponsor a way of buying into and subsequently controlling Professional golf - that wasn’t going to happen without such a disrupter.
In that sense LIV was a rip roaring, perhaps short lived, success story
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Because I was objecting to LIV purely on a sporting basis, not for any issue with those behiind it, or the source of the money.

I have been clear on this since LIV first erupted.

The problems with LIV were : a split in the worlds top golfers; limited uncompetitive exhibition type fields ; knock on damage to events like the Ryder cup and access to majors; the team thing - Smashers, Bonkers, Bojangles, etc - was a joke beyond belief that is out of tune with golf; and the abysmal level of some of the never weres or has beens in its current line up. It offered nothing : going around the world is of zero interest to 99.999% of those following pro golf as spectators. For Europeans, top pro golf being predominantly in the USA is ideal - it fits prime time TV.

If LIV had bought the top 100 golfers in the world, and dropped the LOUD crap and teams nonsense, I probably would have been OK with LIV as the new world golf order. But it was a quarter cocked failure.
 
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Lilyhawk said:
Care to share a reasonable alternative for what he is to do, besides putting his clubs in the attic and walk away from professional golf?
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As I said he was thrown under the bus.
Retire or join another tour.
The trouble with people who pretend to have morals or standards they adhere to and won’t go against them,they’ve got nowhere to go when things go pear shaped.
All along he’s called the Liv golfers greedy and are only doing it for the money,well what’s Rory doing it for now if it’s not money.
Like people on here they will change their minds to fit the narrative,it’s bs and needs calling out.
Rory’s a massive hypocrite right up there with the biggest.
I can’t stand the crap he comes out with.
He’s all about the money and he’s got more than he will ever need.
 
pokerjoke said:
As I said he was thrown under the bus.
Retire or join another tour.
The trouble with people who pretend to have morals or standards they adhere to and won’t go against them,they’ve got nowhere to go when things go pear shaped.
All along he’s called the Liv golfers greedy and are only doing it for the money,well what’s Rory doing it for now if it’s not money.
Like people on here they will change their minds to fit the narrative,it’s bs and needs calling out.
Rory’s a massive hypocrite right up there with the biggest.
I can’t stand the crap he comes out with.
He’s all about the money and he’s got more than he will ever need.
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Ok, so quit golf or he’s a hypocrite. Understand. 👍
 
Rory Re Merger
If Liv events do continue as Co sanctioned events as being reported by some of the media.
If offers are made for teams to top PGA pros to play in those Co sanctioned events.

Well then Rory is totally screwed because I'm telling you now as part of a unified golf umbrella those PGA Tour pros will run to take the PIF money..

All subjecture as is everything right now..
 
For me, I wasn’t against the LIV format or there being a new tour, I was/am against what funds it and the obscene amounts of money being given to the already super rich. That hasn’t and won’t change.

It’s the reason I’ll be wanting Inter to win on Saturday, and why I’d walk away from watching football altogether if my team were bought by them.

I guess golf is a bit different as I haven’t been supporting ‘a player’ my whole life and don’t really mind who wins what (I have my favourites of course, but I’m just watching golf). Whether I continue watching is something I’ll have to decide.
 
GB72 said:
I am a bit confiused now. LIV was bad because of Saudi money, now people are arguing that it was just LIV that was bad and are glad it is gone/going/a minor partner but are OK with PIF now funding the PGA Tour, DP Tour etc. Basically the whole of golf has pretty much become LIV now from a funding perspective. Not sure how anyone who based their opposition to LIV based on the source of the funding can then watch, follow or support professional golf in general now.

To be honest, it does not impact me directly as I never really found golf a great watch for 3 1/2 days out of 4 but I will be interested to see how people justify their ongoing support of professional golf if their opposition to LIV was based on the quite understandable moral argument.

I am sure, in the long term LIV will disappear but the Saudis now have a big chunk of the whole of professional golf and I am sure that they would rather have that over LIV.
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No confusion, just need to remember that there are many people that do not like LIV, and individuals will have various reasons why they do not like LIV. Some have different reasons than others.

Some will detest where the money is coming from. So, if those people genuinely held that thought, then they will equally detest that money going into the PGAT. In fairness, these people are probably not huge fanboys of the PGAT, but simply had no extreme negative issues with it compared to LIV.

Some will hate the fact LIV took some big players, and threatened to take more, away from the main tour. They'd prefer to see the best players in one tour. The merger should address that eventually.

Some will hate the lack of qualification to LIV, and that is feels like an exhibition tour. The merger should address that.

Some will hate the format, one less day golf, feels like a highlights show due to shotgun start, teams, etc. The merger will probably address that, and at least any format changes will be supervised by people that know what they are doing (compared to the LIV guys)

So, the merger will probably, hopefully get a lot of boxes ticked in the end. For those that simply hate where the money is coming from, fans and players, then it will be up to them to deal with that as they see fit. The problem with the PGAT is that Jay Monahan used sportswashing as a key argument, continually. I think he'll find it impossible to go back on that and ever get any dignity back. There will also be individual players on the PGAT who feel like they missed out by sticking loyal, I'm sure that will need to be addressed. There will be players on LIV who signed multi-year contracts for big money, what happens there? There will be lesser quality players on all tours that may feel that are pushed to the side, will they? Will they be less financially secure after the merger, than they likely would have been without it?
 
Mel Smooth said:
Well worth a read - might take 5 minutes of your time, but might help you stop posting nonsense.. Backsticks, I’m looking at you….

firepitcollective.com

What Now Becomes of LIV Golf? Ask Yasir Al-Rumayyan

The new chairman of the board controls the money so he controls the future—not just of LIV but the entire sport
firepitcollective.com firepitcollective.com
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It seems as if people can't be bothered to read your link, (or the one that Big Draw posted an hour later;)) or have read it and can't/won't comment on it as they don't like the message. Which is a shame as it seems to me that it would bring to an end at least some of the back and forth on this thread. Assuming that they give any credence to Shipnuck's musings.
 
Golfnut1957 said:
It seems as if people can't be bothered to read your link, (or the one that Big Draw posted an hour later;)) or have read it and can't/won't comment on it as they don't like the message. Which is a shame as it seems to me that it would bring to an end at least some of the back and forth on this thread. Assuming that they give any credence to Shipnuck's musings.
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Personally I don't believe anything that's be stated, quoted or mused on this thread.
I'll wait for the official verdict before I make any judgement.
 
sorry if this has bee posted before and I missed it, just seen on Twitter that Congress are proposing a bill to strip PGAT of their tax exemption due to the merger
 
Golfnut1957 said:
It seems as if people can't be bothered to read your link, (or the one that Big Draw posted an hour later;)) or have read it and can't/won't comment on it as they don't like the message. Which is a shame as it seems to me that it would bring to an end at least some of the back and forth on this thread. Assuming that they give any credence to Shipnuck's musings.
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It is difficult to take the views of any insiders seriously, when they say:

Says one LIV exec, “Now we can finally get Hideki [Matsuyama] and Jon Rahm. I would say every big name on the PGA Tour will get an offer. Except Rory. Nobody wants that little bitch on their team.”

In a merger that is trying to build bridges and find a unified way forward, this is an appalling statement if it was by someone speaking in an official capacity. It also discredits anything these "LIV insiders" are saying. Simply put, they sound like they are just as clueless as us, but can use more colourful language as they are not being moderated.
 
Swango1980 said:
It is difficult to take the views of any insiders seriously, when they say:

Says one LIV exec, “Now we can finally get Hideki [Matsuyama] and Jon Rahm. I would say every big name on the PGA Tour will get an offer. Except Rory. Nobody wants that little bitch on their team.”

In a merger that is trying to build bridges and find a unified way forward, this is an appalling statement if it was by someone speaking in an official capacity. It also discredits anything these "LIV insiders" are saying. Simply put, they sound like they are just as clueless as us, but can use more colourful language as they are not being moderated.
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I HATE LIV
 
Swango1980 said:
It is difficult to take the views of any insiders seriously, when they say:

Says one LIV exec, “Now we can finally get Hideki [Matsuyama] and Jon Rahm. I would say every big name on the PGA Tour will get an offer. Except Rory. Nobody wants that little bitch on their team.”

In a merger that is trying to build bridges and find a unified way forward, this is an appalling statement if it was by someone speaking in an official capacity. It also discredits anything these "LIV insiders" are saying. Simply put, they sound like they are just as clueless as us, but can use more colourful language as they are not being moderated.
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Then it's a good job no-one influential on the PGA Tour said this yesterday: "I still hate LIV. I hope it goes away." And called for players on 'his side' to be compensated and players on the 'other side' to be punished. Oh, hang on...
 
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I wonder if LiV will stay to get over the issue of PIF and the PGAT becoming a monopoly.

PIF may just pull the plug on LiV funding rather than winding it down immediately. It could them be left to Greg to try and make it a commercially viable entity.
 
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