Orikoru
Tour Winner
Rory's still in the denial phase by the looks of it. Possibly anger as well. The quicker he gets to acceptance the better.
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Mel Smooth
Hacker
“I hate LIV, I hope it goes away, I think it will …I’ll be playing some sort of team golf next year.”
He’ll be doing his utmost to dress whatever LIV morphs into, as absolutely nothing to do with LIV, so he can justify taking the money and opportunity to take part - as will a few on here no doubt.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I saw another supposed quote from him saying "We can't/won't just welcome them back with open arms." referring to the LIV defectors. I realise he's been made to look a complete fool but he's going to have to chill out.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
I would love to know where some of the posters get their information from. Maybe the Prince Harry phone hacking case should be looking towards the forum as some on here must be tapping into sources very close to LIV, PGAT and maybe even Rory and some of the players.
or are they just making stuff up and repeating stuff from Twitter and Facebook?
or are they just making stuff up and repeating stuff from Twitter and Facebook?
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Deleted member 1147
Guest
Pretty much my thinking in post #12,431
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
It is a chore sometimes to wade through the predictions/forecast/opinions trying to separate it from actual news, because they’re pretty much just guesses & wishes
(on both sides)
Swango1980
Well-known member
And this is where things might get sticky for PIF / PGAT.
If enough loyal players kick up a fuss about being short changed, things could go a little pear shaped? Simply saying "they will just have to sit and take it" might not work so well, but we will see. As said, perhaps they'll get some additional payments to keep them sweet, but then how many PGAT players will want a piece of that? Some of the lower ranked ones may make a few demands, highlighting the fact that even though they are not even close to top players, they are better than quite a few of the LIV players who have made a bucket load of cash.
All the above is completely unknown, and the players themselves are probably still unsure about what direction they'll take themselves, given it has been a huge bombshell. It will be interesting to see how things pan out over next year or 2.
WGCRider
Newbie
DJ, Rory, Brooks and Rahm will be fine whatever. What you are missing here is the guys on the PGA tour outside the top 50. These guys have had a seat at the top table and now will be relegated. They will be unhappy. Same as someone on the other side like Adrián Otaegui. He's never been a feature on the PGA tour why would they have to make space for him now? The likes of Westwood, Poulter and maybe even Garcia are finished - They have little chance of requalifying for the PGA or DPW tours on merit and will be relying on invites - in elevated events they will be making up the numbers if they are there at all.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
And Rory telling one to "play better" is a bit classless
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
To be honest..the whole thing, from day 1, has been Classless.....
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
From both sides
Swango1980
Well-known member
Not necessarily, you probably have to be there to understand the context. The fact that they were friendly after the meeting suggests a bit of light-hearted banter
I frequently take the mick out of the guys I play golf with, for example mocking one for being the worst chipper in history. And they jokingly respond "f... off" afterwards. I'm sure most of us do the same with the guys in our groups, and they do it to us as well.
PGAT includes the Kornferry and Champions tour, so the LIV players will end up spread among them according to level. I am sure Chase Koepka for example will be given a spot in the Kornferry qualifying tournament for next years field. Mickelson will get an in to the Champions tour. Westwood will be Champions material soon enough. Poulter maybe back to the DP, which might be a diplomtic rapprochement towards a Ryder Cup captains spot down the line. Etc.
McIlroy has class though. And is a polite, thoughtful and not hothead guy. Which suggests that quoted exchange was probably much closer to the banter atmosphere than nasty.
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Deleted member 21445
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How on earth are they going to agree on a merger that is going to satisfy players on both sides ?
Either one side is going to be very disappointed or the merger is going to fall through.
It would seem either JM is not being upfront with his players of the PIF is not with its Liv players about the framework of whats been talked about so far.
The source of the money and the media around that has been a big problem for Liv attracting sponsors, TV rights etc
Well that has been completely removed now because the very people who pushed that narrative are now saying actually thats completely ok.
Lets be totally honest the hypocrisy of the PGAT is astounding.
If the merger did fall through and PIF said ok we continue with the Liv model, the PGA Tour have helped legitimise sponsors getting into bed with Liv because they were willing to do exactly the same thing.
Its such a bloody mess and I have no idea how this is going to play out..
I know I said I was checking out of this thread till the merger is announced but its almost impossible with this unprecedented situation
Either one side is going to be very disappointed or the merger is going to fall through.
It would seem either JM is not being upfront with his players of the PIF is not with its Liv players about the framework of whats been talked about so far.
The source of the money and the media around that has been a big problem for Liv attracting sponsors, TV rights etc
Well that has been completely removed now because the very people who pushed that narrative are now saying actually thats completely ok.
Lets be totally honest the hypocrisy of the PGAT is astounding.
If the merger did fall through and PIF said ok we continue with the Liv model, the PGA Tour have helped legitimise sponsors getting into bed with Liv because they were willing to do exactly the same thing.
Its such a bloody mess and I have no idea how this is going to play out..
I know I said I was checking out of this thread till the merger is announced but its almost impossible with this unprecedented situation
PIF is a minority shareholder. The PGAT is the control, and will decide how rewards are spread amongst the players. Not LIV. LIV is the weak partner in all of this now. Its lifeline of infitite cash is gone, and it has to survive and justify itself commercially. The PGAT can. DP can. LIV showed that it cannot. That is why the PIF did a deal to buy into the winning formulas rather than the failure startup.
timd77
Assistant Pro
My 2 penn’orth is that I’m glad that all the best players will again be playing against each other on a regular basis, but I’m not happy about where the money’s coming from. Not sure where that leaves me in terms of watching golf!
Personally don’t want poulter or Westwood anywhere near the RC captaincy, they’ve been pretty vulgar over the last year or so.
Personally don’t want poulter or Westwood anywhere near the RC captaincy, they’ve been pretty vulgar over the last year or so.
D-S
Well-known member
How come people are separating LIV and PIF now?
Without PIF there is no LIV - PIF set up LIV and bankrolled it didn’t they? It’s not as if LIV was some sort of struggling entity that existed before and then was bought by Saudi. It was their vehicle that seemingly has led to their control over , or at least have significant influence on, the top of Professional golf outside the Majors.
Without PIF there is no LIV - PIF set up LIV and bankrolled it didn’t they? It’s not as if LIV was some sort of struggling entity that existed before and then was bought by Saudi. It was their vehicle that seemingly has led to their control over , or at least have significant influence on, the top of Professional golf outside the Majors.
GB72
Money List Winner
I am a bit confiused now. LIV was bad because of Saudi money, now people are arguing that it was just LIV that was bad and are glad it is gone/going/a minor partner but are OK with PIF now funding the PGA Tour, DP Tour etc. Basically the whole of golf has pretty much become LIV now from a funding perspective. Not sure how anyone who based their opposition to LIV based on the source of the funding can then watch, follow or support professional golf in general now.
To be honest, it does not impact me directly as I never really found golf a great watch for 3 1/2 days out of 4 but I will be interested to see how people justify their ongoing support of professional golf if their opposition to LIV was based on the quite understandable moral argument.
I am sure, in the long term LIV will disappear but the Saudis now have a big chunk of the whole of professional golf and I am sure that they would rather have that over LIV.
To be honest, it does not impact me directly as I never really found golf a great watch for 3 1/2 days out of 4 but I will be interested to see how people justify their ongoing support of professional golf if their opposition to LIV was based on the quite understandable moral argument.
I am sure, in the long term LIV will disappear but the Saudis now have a big chunk of the whole of professional golf and I am sure that they would rather have that over LIV.
